在＂異端辨端＂（ 天道書樓有限公司） 第175頁如此說： 在這裏， 大抵我們也可以明白到為何傳道書12:1 所說＂ 造你的主＂(Thy Makers)是復數的， 並以賽亞書54:5＂ 造你的是你的丈夫＂中的＂造你的＂(Creators) 是複數（ 以外在的位格而言）， 但丈夫(Thy husband) 卻是單數 （以內在的本的本質而言）．
此說法是否合乎聖經一貫的道理， 讓我們來看看不同英文聖經的翻譯：
1. Christian Community Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Be mindful of your Creator when you are young,
Isa 54:5: For your Maker is to marry you.
2. The Amplified Bible
Ecl 12:1 Remember (earnestly) also your Creator (that you are not your own, but His property now) in the days of your youth.
Isa 54:5 For your Maker is your Husband ---
3. New International Reader's Version
Ecl :12:1 : Remember the One who created you.
Isa : 54:5 : I made you, I am your husband.
4. Today's New International Version
Ecl : 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa : 54:5 : For your Maker is your husband ----
5. New International Version
Ecl : 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa : 54 :5 : For your Maker is your husband.
6. James Moffat Translation
Ecl 12:1 : But remember your Creator in the flower in your age,
Isa 54:5 : for your husband is your Maker,
7. 1599 Geneva Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For he that made thee, is thine husband,
8. Douay-Rheims – The Holy Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54: 5 : For he that made thee shall rule over thee.
9. The New American Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For he who has become your husband is your Maker;
10. The New Jerusalem Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator while you are still young,
Isa 54:5 For your Creator is your husband.
11. The Jerusalem Bible
Ecl 12:1 : And remember your creator in the days of your youth.
Isa 54:5 : For now your creator will be your husband.
12. Comtempory English Version
Ecl 12:1 : keep your Creator in mind while you are young!
Isa 54:5 : He is your Creator and husband.
13 New Century Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator while you are young,
Isa 54:5 : The God who made you is like your husband.
14. Holman Christian Standard Bible
Ecl 12:1 : So remember your Creator in the days of your youth;
Isa 54:5 : For your husband is your Maker ---
15. Authorized (King James) Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thine husband.
16. New King James Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your Maker is your husband.
17. The 21st Century King James Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thine husband ---
18. Third Millennium Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thine husband ---
19. Complete Jewish Bible
Ecl 12:1 : So remember your creator while you are young,
Isa 54:5 : For your husband is your Maker.
20. The Modern Language Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Be mindful or your Creator in the days of you youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your true husband is your Maker,
21. Easy-to-Read Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator while you are young,
Isa 54:5 : Your real husband is the one who made you.
22. Holy Bible From Ancient Text (From The Aramaic of the Peshitta)
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For it is the Lord shall do thee to you;
23. The Orthodox Study Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For it is the Lord who is your Maker,
24. A New English Translation of the Septuagint
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : because the Lord is the one who makes you.
25. American Standard Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also thy Creator in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thy husband.
26. Today's English Version (Good News Translation)
Ecl 12:1 : So remember your Creator while you are still young,
Isa 54:5 : Your Creator will be like a husband to you,
27. English Standard Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your Maker is your husband,
28. New Revised Standard Version
Ecl 12:1: Remember your creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54.5 For your maker is your husband.
29. New Life Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also your Maker while you are young,
Isa 54:5 : Your Maker is your husband.
30. The NET Bible
Ecl 12:1 : So remember your Creator in the day of your youth ---
Isa 54:5 : For your husband is the one who made you---
31.The Living Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Don't let the exitement in being young cause you to forget about your Creator.
Isa 54:5 : for your Creator will be your husband.
32. New Living Translation
Ecl 12:1 : Don't let the exitement of youth cause you to forget your Creator.
Isa 54:5 : for your Creator will be your husband.
33. New American Standard Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your husband is your Maker,
34. Updated New American Standard Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your husband is your Maker.
35. Revised Standard Version
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For your Maker is your husband.
36. The Message
Ecl 12:1 : Honor and enjoy your Creator while you're still young,
Isa 54:5 : For your Maker is your bridegroom,
37. Daily Devotional Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator while you are young.
Isa 54:5 :This is because the God who made you is like your husband.
38.God's Word
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator when you are young,
Isa 54:5 : Your husband is your Maker.
39. Darby Translation
Ecl 12:1 : And remember thy creator (creator is plural) in the day or thy youth.
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thy husband:
40. Young's Literal Translation
Ecl 12:1 : Remember also thy Creators in the days of thy youth,
Isa 54:5 : For thy Maker is thy Husband.
41. Rotherham's Emphasized Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Yet remember thy Creator (plural of excellenes), in the days of thy vigour ---
Isa 54:5 : For thy husband is thy Maker.
42. Revised English Bible with the Apocrypha
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth.
Isa 54:5 : for your husband is your Maker,
43. The New English Bible
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator in the days of your youth.
Isa 54:5 : for your husband is your Maker,
44. A literal Translation of the Bible (The Interlinear Bible)
Ecl 12:1 : Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth,
Isa 54:5 : For you Maker is your husband;
45. The Clear Word
Ecl 12:1 : Remember your Creator while you're still young........
Isa 54:5 : Your Maker is still your husband;
我們先談傳12:1之Creator(s). 在福音書局所能買到的不同英文版本聖經, 幾乎全部都已列上了. 在45版本中, 只有Young's Literal Translation 翻譯為Creators, 其餘的全都譯為Creator. 在Darby Translation 和 The Companion Bible (KJV) 只註明原文是Creators. The Companion Bible 註明如下:
Creator, Plural of Majesty, the great Creator, or a reference to the trinity.
在 Apostolic Bible Polygot 所給予的編號為2936. 其文如下 : And(2532) remember(3403) the one(3588) creating(2936) you(1473). 2936的意義為 To build, make, create.
Young's Literal Translation 譯為Creators 並沒錯. 但為何其他那麼多版本都譯為Creator 呢? 甚至有些版本註明原文是復數但卻譯為單數! 理由很簡單, 如譯為Creators, 給人的印像是很多Creator. 這又掉下 “Elohiym 是否暗指三位一體＂一文之Elohiym的假設中.
至於賽54:5, 全部版本, 包括Young's Literal Translation, 都譯為Maker. 我參考了幾本聖經辭典, 全部都表示此字乃動詞to make. 至於為何會譯為單數名詞Maker, 則無從知曉. 無論如何, Makers的意思與上述之Creators的情況一樣, 即多個Maker, 亦陷入Elohiym復數之假設中.
2009年8月16日 星期日
＂我們＂及＂我＂是否指三位一體？
在＂異端辯惑＂（ 天道書樓有限公司） 如此寫着：以賽亞6:3 的三重 “聖哉” 亦暗示神是三位一體的. 若我們以為作者的用意只在指出神的無上的威嚴及權能， 則這說法亦無法滿意的解釋6:8 之＂我＂及＂我們＂的同時出現， 唯一滿意的解釋 是 神是三位格的 ，但卻是獨一的．
NET Bible 對於此節的解釋如下：
Hebrew “for us.” The plural pronoun refers to the Lord, the seraphs, and the rest of the heavenly assembly.
從賽6:2-8來看， 神是在跟撒拉弗講話． 從賽6:6 有一撒拉弗來看， 應該是超過一位撒拉弗與神講話． 換句話說， 神對撒拉弗們說： 誰可為他和撒拉弗們去呢？ 從賽6:2-8 節， 可知第一個＂我＂是指有權利差遣的神， 接下來的＂我們＂ 是指贊美此差遣及幫神除掉以賽亞罪孽的撒拉弗．
這情形就好像列上22:19-22 ，米該雅說， 你要聽耶和華的話． 我看見耶和華坐在寶座上， 天上的萬軍侍立在他左右． 耶和華說 ：誰去引誘亞哈上基列的拉末去陣亡呢？ 這個就這樣說 ，那個就那樣說． 隨后有一個神靈出來， 站在耶和華面前， 說： 我去引誘他． 耶和華問他說： 你用何法呢？ 他說： 我去, 要在他眾先知口中作謊言的靈． 耶和華說： 這樣， 你必能引誘他． 你去如此行吧！
這清楚表明神和天使在對話， 賽8:6也是神和撒拉弗對話．
最簡單的例子是約11:11，耶穌說了這話, 又接着說: 我們的朋友拉撒路睡着了, 我要去叫醒他. ＂我們＂是指耶穌和門徒們， 但叫醒拉撒路的是耶穌． 在四福音書裏， 都沒提過門徒是拉撒路的朋友． 最接近此事件的是路10:38-42， 也只提到馬大和馬利亞而已． 真正提到此三人和耶穌及門徒的是在約12:1-8， 即拉撒路復活之後．
總而言之，＂ 我們＂只不過是對話而已．
聖經對於神的描寫是一貫的， 沒有似是而非的說法．如果描寫神應是描寫神的獨一及多位格的話 ，那創1:26的兩個＂我們＂又怎樣解釋呢？
很明顯的， 主張三位一體的人看到 ＂複數的神＂時， 就說是指神的位格而言． 讀到＂獨一的神＂時，就說是指三位格之神的獨一性．
在＂基道釋經手冊＂（ 基道出阪社） 第149頁 如此說：
另一類由經文鑒別學引起的釋經問題， 源自新約引用舊約的經節，是根據七十士譯本的， 即使希臘文譯本的意思跟傳統的舊約希伯來抄本有出入． 若要對這些差異作出評估， 肯定更加困難 ．正如我們曾經提過的， 傳統的希伯來聖經版本不會超過公元800至 900 年間． 現存七十士譯本的抄本則至少再早500年． 故此， 當七十士譯本翻譯希伯來文原稿時， 可能是準確的， 只是後來的希伯來抄本出現了錯誤． 在死海古卷中找到的部份舊約書卷， 甚至遠至公前元前200年． 它們暗示 （雖然不是經長 ）情況的確是這樣． 例如希伯來書1:6節所引用的申命記32:43是一個較長的版本， 就是見於七十士譯本和死海古卷．
既是這樣， 讓我們來看看以七十士譯本譯為英文聖經的用詞：
(1)The Orthodox Study Bible – I also heard the voice of the Lord, saying, whom shall I send, and who will go to this people?
(2)The Apostolic Bible Polyglot – And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying whom shall I send, and who shall go to this people?
(3)A New English Translation of the Septuagint – Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, whom should I send, and who will go to this people?
從這些譯本看來， 根本沒有＂我們 ＂只有＂我＂而已．
至於賽6:3的三重＂聖哉＂， NET Bible 作如下解釋：
Some have seen a reference to the Trinity in the seraphs' threefold declaration 'holy, holy, holy'. This proposal has no linguistic or contextual basic and should be dismissed. By repeating the word 'holy', the seraphs emphasize the degree of the Lord's holiness. For another example of threefold repetition for emphasis, see Ezek 21:27. Perhaps Jer 22:29 provides another example.
耶22:29 為： 地阿！ 地阿！ 地阿！ 當聽耶和華的話．
結21:27 為： 我要將這個傾覆， 傾覆， 而又傾覆． 這國必不再有， 直等到那應得的人來到， 我就賜給他 ．
如果三次＂聖哉＂是指三位一體， 那三次 ＂地阿＂ 和三次＂ 傾覆＂又該怎樣解釋？ 很明顯的， 主張三位一體的人指三次＂聖哉＂是指三個位格， 卻有意無意的忽略了其他 ＂三重＂ 的事物．
启4：8 的三次＂聖哉＂ 又怎樣？ 讓我們看看下列經文：
启 4 : 8 – 四活物各有六個翅膀， 遍體內外都滿了眼睛． 他們晝夜不住的說：＂ 聖哉！ 聖哉！ 聖哉 ！主神是昔在， 今在， 以後永在＂的全能者．
启 11: 17 - 說 ：＂昔在，今在， 以後永在＂的主神全能者阿！ 我們感謝你， 應你執掌大權作主了．
启 15:3 - 唱神僕人摩西的歌和羔羊的歌， 說： 主神全能者阿， 你的作為＂大哉！ 奇哉！＂ 萬世之王阿， 你的道途＂義哉！ 誠哉！＂
启 16 : 7 - 我又聽見祭壇中有聲音，說 ：是的， 主神全能者阿， 你的判斷＂義哉！＂ ＂誠哉！＂
很明顯的， 上述經文都有同一目的， 即贊美全能者． 启 4：8 以＂聖哉！ 聖哉！ 聖哉！ 昔在， 今在， 以後永在，＂ 總共6次來行容贊美全能者． 启 11: 17 以＂昔在， 今在， 以後永在，三次來贊美全能者． 启 15:3 則有四次： 即＂奇哉！ 大哉！ 義哉！ 誠哉！＂ 启 16 : 7 則有2次： 即＂義哉！ 誠哉！＂
由此可知， 3次＂聖哉＂只不過是6次中的贊美用詞而已． 如果贊美神須要3次， 即每一個位格一次， 那上述贊美經文又該作何解釋？
還有一點， 有些古卷葚至有一連九次的＂聖哉＂． 這可從Chronalogical Study Bible (NKJV) 和Holman CSB的註釋得知．那我們是否可說神是九位一體？
NET Bible 對於此節的解釋如下：
Hebrew “for us.” The plural pronoun refers to the Lord, the seraphs, and the rest of the heavenly assembly.
從賽6:2-8來看， 神是在跟撒拉弗講話． 從賽6:6 有一撒拉弗來看， 應該是超過一位撒拉弗與神講話． 換句話說， 神對撒拉弗們說： 誰可為他和撒拉弗們去呢？ 從賽6:2-8 節， 可知第一個＂我＂是指有權利差遣的神， 接下來的＂我們＂ 是指贊美此差遣及幫神除掉以賽亞罪孽的撒拉弗．
這情形就好像列上22:19-22 ，米該雅說， 你要聽耶和華的話． 我看見耶和華坐在寶座上， 天上的萬軍侍立在他左右． 耶和華說 ：誰去引誘亞哈上基列的拉末去陣亡呢？ 這個就這樣說 ，那個就那樣說． 隨后有一個神靈出來， 站在耶和華面前， 說： 我去引誘他． 耶和華問他說： 你用何法呢？ 他說： 我去, 要在他眾先知口中作謊言的靈． 耶和華說： 這樣， 你必能引誘他． 你去如此行吧！
這清楚表明神和天使在對話， 賽8:6也是神和撒拉弗對話．
最簡單的例子是約11:11，耶穌說了這話, 又接着說: 我們的朋友拉撒路睡着了, 我要去叫醒他. ＂我們＂是指耶穌和門徒們， 但叫醒拉撒路的是耶穌． 在四福音書裏， 都沒提過門徒是拉撒路的朋友． 最接近此事件的是路10:38-42， 也只提到馬大和馬利亞而已． 真正提到此三人和耶穌及門徒的是在約12:1-8， 即拉撒路復活之後．
總而言之，＂ 我們＂只不過是對話而已．
聖經對於神的描寫是一貫的， 沒有似是而非的說法．如果描寫神應是描寫神的獨一及多位格的話 ，那創1:26的兩個＂我們＂又怎樣解釋呢？
很明顯的， 主張三位一體的人看到 ＂複數的神＂時， 就說是指神的位格而言． 讀到＂獨一的神＂時，就說是指三位格之神的獨一性．
在＂基道釋經手冊＂（ 基道出阪社） 第149頁 如此說：
另一類由經文鑒別學引起的釋經問題， 源自新約引用舊約的經節，是根據七十士譯本的， 即使希臘文譯本的意思跟傳統的舊約希伯來抄本有出入． 若要對這些差異作出評估， 肯定更加困難 ．正如我們曾經提過的， 傳統的希伯來聖經版本不會超過公元800至 900 年間． 現存七十士譯本的抄本則至少再早500年． 故此， 當七十士譯本翻譯希伯來文原稿時， 可能是準確的， 只是後來的希伯來抄本出現了錯誤． 在死海古卷中找到的部份舊約書卷， 甚至遠至公前元前200年． 它們暗示 （雖然不是經長 ）情況的確是這樣． 例如希伯來書1:6節所引用的申命記32:43是一個較長的版本， 就是見於七十士譯本和死海古卷．
既是這樣， 讓我們來看看以七十士譯本譯為英文聖經的用詞：
(1)The Orthodox Study Bible – I also heard the voice of the Lord, saying, whom shall I send, and who will go to this people?
(2)The Apostolic Bible Polyglot – And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying whom shall I send, and who shall go to this people?
(3)A New English Translation of the Septuagint – Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, whom should I send, and who will go to this people?
從這些譯本看來， 根本沒有＂我們 ＂只有＂我＂而已．
至於賽6:3的三重＂聖哉＂， NET Bible 作如下解釋：
Some have seen a reference to the Trinity in the seraphs' threefold declaration 'holy, holy, holy'. This proposal has no linguistic or contextual basic and should be dismissed. By repeating the word 'holy', the seraphs emphasize the degree of the Lord's holiness. For another example of threefold repetition for emphasis, see Ezek 21:27. Perhaps Jer 22:29 provides another example.
耶22:29 為： 地阿！ 地阿！ 地阿！ 當聽耶和華的話．
結21:27 為： 我要將這個傾覆， 傾覆， 而又傾覆． 這國必不再有， 直等到那應得的人來到， 我就賜給他 ．
如果三次＂聖哉＂是指三位一體， 那三次 ＂地阿＂ 和三次＂ 傾覆＂又該怎樣解釋？ 很明顯的， 主張三位一體的人指三次＂聖哉＂是指三個位格， 卻有意無意的忽略了其他 ＂三重＂ 的事物．
启4：8 的三次＂聖哉＂ 又怎樣？ 讓我們看看下列經文：
启 4 : 8 – 四活物各有六個翅膀， 遍體內外都滿了眼睛． 他們晝夜不住的說：＂ 聖哉！ 聖哉！ 聖哉 ！主神是昔在， 今在， 以後永在＂的全能者．
启 11: 17 - 說 ：＂昔在，今在， 以後永在＂的主神全能者阿！ 我們感謝你， 應你執掌大權作主了．
启 15:3 - 唱神僕人摩西的歌和羔羊的歌， 說： 主神全能者阿， 你的作為＂大哉！ 奇哉！＂ 萬世之王阿， 你的道途＂義哉！ 誠哉！＂
启 16 : 7 - 我又聽見祭壇中有聲音，說 ：是的， 主神全能者阿， 你的判斷＂義哉！＂ ＂誠哉！＂
很明顯的， 上述經文都有同一目的， 即贊美全能者． 启 4：8 以＂聖哉！ 聖哉！ 聖哉！ 昔在， 今在， 以後永在，＂ 總共6次來行容贊美全能者． 启 11: 17 以＂昔在， 今在， 以後永在，三次來贊美全能者． 启 15:3 則有四次： 即＂奇哉！ 大哉！ 義哉！ 誠哉！＂ 启 16 : 7 則有2次： 即＂義哉！ 誠哉！＂
由此可知， 3次＂聖哉＂只不過是6次中的贊美用詞而已． 如果贊美神須要3次， 即每一個位格一次， 那上述贊美經文又該作何解釋？
還有一點， 有些古卷葚至有一連九次的＂聖哉＂． 這可從Chronalogical Study Bible (NKJV) 和Holman CSB的註釋得知．那我們是否可說神是九位一體？
2009年7月6日 星期一
Elohiym 是否指三為一體?
主張三位一體的人, 都以elohiym(Strong号碼為430)乃ellah (Strong 号碼為433)的復數,
進而解釋elohiym乃暗指神的三個位格. 此說法是否可取, 只要我們看看其字義即可知道:
在聖經原文舊約希伯來字典(浸宣出版社) 第26頁註明其字義為神或諸神. 此字在和合本譯為神2512次, 神像11次, 審判官3, 神明2次, 主2次, 審判1次, 像1次, 尊大的1次 , 虔誠1次, 甚大的1次, 天使1次, 女神1次, 士師1次, 總數為2538次.
聖經原文串珠註解( 浸宣出版社) 第1和第2頁解釋得很清楚::
“神"創1:1; 原文字義是’大能者; 起誓約束自己者’. 在不同的上下文中,也譯成'尊
大'( 創'23:6); '大大' '甚大' (創30:8; 撒上14:15); '天使'(詩8:5), 各1次, 其餘250次均譯成神. HB 0430 在七十士譯本以 2316 表達. GK 2316 在新約中譯為'神'太1:23; 在舊約開始說明神是創造宇宙萬有及人類的神, 在新約第一章開始重新敘述'神要與我們同在'.
The New Strong's Concise Dictionary of Bible Words (Thomas Nelson Publishers)之English Index to the biblical language 對elohiym的解釋為God; gods; great ones(第13頁). 同一本書之New Strong's Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Hebrew Bible 作如下解釋:
Plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural, thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates, and sometimes as a superlative: -angels, excedingly God (gods) (-dess), (very) great, judges, mighty.
在The Hebrews-Greek (AMG Publishers) 之Lexical Aids to the Old Testament Goodrick-Kohlenberger numbering system, 其號碼為466(第1504頁), 其解釋為God; god. The most common Hebrews word translated 'God' in the OT. Occasionally with modifiers such as righteous (Ps7:9), living (1Sa17.26), holy(Jos24:19), and true (2 Ch 15:3). Plural in form, but has both singular and plural uses. Usually takes a singular verb, so no implication of any plurality in the divine nature can be infexed from the fact that the word is plural. When used as a plural, it can refer to rulers of judges with divine autority (Ex21:6), pagan gods (Ex 18:11; Ps86:8), and angels (Ps8:5). In the singular it can denote a god or a goddes (1Sa 5:7; 2Ki18:33) and a man representing God (Ex7:1), God (Dt7:9; Ezr 1:3; Isa45:18)
同一本書之Concise Dictionary of The Hebrews 第1905頁如此說: God (pl of majesty); gods; mighty one, great one; judge; (same as Strong number 430).
在the Strongest Strong Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible之Hebres-Aramaic Dictionary -Index to the OT (第1360頁)解釋如下:
God (plural of majesty: plural in form but singular in meaning, with a focus on great power);
gods (true grammatical plural); any person characterized by greatness or power; mighty one, great one, judge.
在聖經辭典上冊A-J (天道書樓有限公司)第572頁如此說:
伊羅興雖然是復數, 但也可以作是單數來解釋, 意即'最高的神' (英文譯作'God', '神').文法上來說, 伊羅興像英文的God字一樣, 是個普通名詞. 所表達的是關呼神的一切觀念跟人(民23:19)和其他受造之物為對比. 用伊羅興來形容宇宙性或普世性的關係, 是適切(創 1:1), 因為只有一位至高的真神, 而他是有位格的. 依羅興在性質上接近專有名詞, 但沒失去他抽象和概念方面的特質.
在 The Complete Words Study Dictionary Old Testament (AMG Publisher)第54頁提到三位一體, 但聲明其意思只是間接提到而已. 茲將其註釋抄錄如下:
A masculine plural noun meaning God, gods, judges, angels.Occuring more than 2600 times in Old Testament, this word commonly designates the One True God (Gen1:1) and is often paired with God's unique name Yehowah (3068)(Gen 2:4; Ps100:3). When the word is used as the generic designation of God, it convey in Scripture that God is the Creator (Gen5:1); the King (Ps47:7[8]); the Judge (Ps 50:6); the Lord (Ps86:12); and the Savior (Hos13:4). His character is compassionate(Deut4:13); gracious (Ps116:5); and faithfully to His covenant (Deut 7:9).In fewer instances, this word refer to foreign gods, such as Dagon(1Sam 5:7) or Baal(1Kgs18:24). It also might refer to judges (Es22:8[7]; 9[8]) or angels as gods (Ps97:7). Although the form of this word is plural, it is frequently used as if it was singular, that is, with a singular word (Gen1:1-31; Ex2:24). The plural form of this word may be regarded (1) as intensive to indicate God's fullness of power; (2) as majestic to indicate God's kingly rule; (3) as an allusion of the trinity (Gen1:26). The singular form of the word eloah (433) occurs only in poetry(Ps50:22; Isa44:8). The shortenend form of the word is el(410).
在聖經中, 包括上述主張三位一體的Comlete Word Study Dictionary Old Testament, 都提到elohiym 其中的意思為plural of majestic 的神(God), 外邦人的神(god)和諸神或多神(gods); 絶對沒含有多位的意思. 主張三位一體的人, 先有三位一體的概念, 然後才來找聖經章節來支持之. 就算Elohiym 是多位而非多神, 也未必是多位位格. 因為如果是多位的話, 可以多位其他東西!
所謂的神(god) 或多神(gods), 我們可以從其原文用法(430) 可得知(經文全引自KJV):
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be openend, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 31:32 With whomsoever thou findest the gods, let him not live: before our brethren discern thou what is thine with me, and that Rachel had stolen them.
Gen 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments.
Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by She'-chem.
Ex7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh : and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Ex12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
Ex 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods : for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Ex 20:23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
Ex 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Ex 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
Ex 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect : and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy month.
Ex 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works : but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
Ex 23:32 Thou shalt make no covenent with them, nor with their gods.
Ex 23:33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me : for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
Ex 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for us for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Ex32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Ex32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Ex 32:23 For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Ex 32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Ex 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
Ex 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
Ex 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Lev 19:4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
Nu 25:2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
Nu 33:4 For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods, before me.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go afer other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
Deu 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods:
so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
Deu 7:16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them : neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
Deu 7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver of gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Deu10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and LORD of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deu11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worhip them;
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not know.
Deu 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all places, wherein the nation which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree.
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name or other gods, even that prophet shall die..
Deu 30:17 But if thine hearth turn away, so that thou will not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and woship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the stranger of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
Deu 31:18 And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought in that they turn to other gods.
Deu31:20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me : I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Jos 23:7 That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, now bow your-selves unto them:
Jos 23:16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
Jos 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Te'-rah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Na'-chor: and they serve other gods.
Jos 24:14 Now therfore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt, and serve ye the LORD.
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Jos 24:16 And the people answerd and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;
Jos 24:20 If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
Jos 24:23 Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God.of Israel.
Jud 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
Jud 2:12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themsleve unto them, and provoke the LORD to anger.
Jud 2:17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them; they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
Jud 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.
Jud 5:8 They close new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?
Jud 6:31 And Jo'-ash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for Ba'-al? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning: if he be a god, let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar.
Jud 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Ba'-al-im, and make Ba'al-be'-rith their god.
Jud 9:27 And they went out into the fields, and gathered their vineyards, and trode the grapes, and make merry, and went into the house of their god, and did eat and drink, and cursed A-bim'-e-lech.
Jud 10:6 And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD, and served Ba'-al-im, and Ash'-ta-roth, and the gods of Syria, and the gods of Zi'-don, and the godsof Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines, and forsook the LORD, and served not him.
Jud 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.
Jud 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
Jud 10:16 And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served th LORD: and his soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.
Jud 11:24 Wilt not thou possess that which Che'-mosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess.
Jud16:23 Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Da'-gon their god, and to rejoice: for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand.
Jud 16:24 And when the people saw him, they praised their gods : for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us.
Jud 18:24 And he said, Ye have taken away my gods which I made, and the priest, and ye are gone away: and what have I more? an what is this that ye said unto me, what aileth thee?
Ru 1:15 And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law.
1 Sa 5:7 And when the men of Ash'-dod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us : for his hand is sore upon us, and upon Da'gon our god.
1 Sa 6:5 Wherefore ye shall make images of your emerods, and images of your mice that mar the land: and ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel : peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods, once from off your land.
1 Sa 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the LORD with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ash'-ta-roth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the LORD, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.
1 Sa 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1 Sa 17:43 And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that then comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods.
1 Sa 26:19 Now therefore, I pray thee, let my lord the king hear the words of his servant. If the LORD have stirred thee up against me, let him accept an offering: but if they be the children of men, cursed be they before the LORD; for they have driven me out this day from abiding in the inheritance of the LORD, saying, Go, serve other gods.
1 Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
2 Sa 7:23 And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Isreal, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?
1 K 9:6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
1 K 9:9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them : therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.
1 K11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods : Solomon clave unto these in love.
1 K 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods : and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
1 K 11:5 For Solomon went after Ash'-to-reth the goddess of the Zi-do'-ni-ans, and after Mil'-com, the abomination of the Ammonites.
1 K 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
1 K 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods : but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
1 K 11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ash'-to-reth the goddess of the Zi-do'-ni-ans, Che'-mosh the god of the Moabites, and Mil'-com the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep statutes and my judments, as did David his father.
1 K 12:28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem : behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
1 K 14:9 But hast done evil above all that were before thee: for thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back:
1 K 18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, it is well spoken.
1 K 18:25 And E-li'jah said unto the prophets of Ba'-al, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
1 K 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that E-li'-jah mocked them, and said, cry aloud : for he is a god, either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
1 K 19:2 Then Jez'-e-bel sent a messenger unto E-li'-jah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time.
1 K 20:10 And Ben-ha'-dad sent unto him, and said, The gods do so unto me, and more also, if the dust of Sa-ma'-ri-a shall suffice for handfuls for all the people that follow me.
1 K20:23 And the servants of the king of Syria said unto him, Their gods are gods of the hills: therfore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.
2 K 1:2 Aand A-ha-zi'-ah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Sa-ma'-ri-a, and was sick : and he sent his messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Ba'-al-ze'bub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.
2 K 1:3 But the angel of the LORD said to E-li'-jah the Tish'-bite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Sa-ma'-ri-a, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron?
2 K 1:6 And they said unto him, There come a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him; Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
2 K 1:16 And he said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of his word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
2 K 5:17 And Na'-a-man said, shall there not then, I pray thee, be given to thy servant two mules' burden of earth? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD.
2 K 17:7 For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods,
2 K17:29 Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Sa-mar'-i-tans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.
2 K 17:31 And the A'-vites made Nib'-haz and Tartak, and the Se'-phar-vites burnt their children in fire to A-dram'-me-lech and A-nam'-me-lech, the godsof Se-phar-va'-im.
2 K 17:33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.
2 K 17:35 With whom the LORD had made a covenant, and charged them, saying, Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them:
2 K17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
2 K 17:38 And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
2 K 18:33 Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered at all his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
2 K 18:34 Where are the gods Ha'-math, and of Ar'-pad? where are the gods of Se-phar-va'-im, He'-na, and I'-vah? Have they delivered Sa-ma'-ri-a out of mine hand?
2K 18:35 Who are they among all the gods of the countries, that have delivered their country out of mine hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem out of mine hand?
2 K 19:12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; as Go'-zan, and Ha'-ran, and Re'-zeph, and the children of Eden which were in The-la'-sar?
2 K 19:18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.
2 K 19:37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nis'-roch his god, that A-dram'-me-lech and Sha-re'-zer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Ar-me'-ni-a. And E'-sar-had'-don his son reigned in his stead.
2 K 22:17 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched.
1 Ch 5:25 And they transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them.
1 Ch 10:10 And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastenend his head in the temple of Da'-gon.
1 Ch 14:12 And when they had left their gods there, David gave a commandment, and they were burned with fire.
1 Ch 16:25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods.
1 Ch 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
2 Ch 2:5 And the house which I build is great : for great is our God above all gods.
2 Ch 7:19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statues and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
2 Ch 7:22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
2 Ch 13:8 And now ye think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD in the Hand of the sons of David; and ye be a great multitude, and there are with you golden calves, which Jer-o-bo'-am made you for gods.
2 Ch 13:9 Have ye not cast out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and have made you priest after the manner of the nations of other lands? so that whosoever cometh to consecrate himself with a young bullock and seven rams, the same may be a priest of them that are no gods.
2 Ch 25:14 Now it came to pass, after that Am-a-zi'-ah was come from the slaughter of the Edomites, that he brought the gods of the children of Se'-ir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down himself before them, and burned incense unto them,
2 Ch 25:15 Wherefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against Am-a-zi'-ah, and he sent unto him a prophet, which said unto him, Why hast thou sought after the gods of the people, which could not deliver their own people out of thine hand?
2 Ch 25:20 But Am-a-zi'ah would not hear; for it came of God, that he might deliver them into the hand of their enemies, because they sought after the gods of Edom.
2 Ch 28:23 For he sacrificed unto the gods of Damascus, which smote him : and he said, Because the gods of the kings of Syria help them, therefore will I sacrifice to them, that they may help me, But they were the ruin of him, and of all Israel.
2 Ch 28:25 And in every several city of Judah made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the LORD God of his father.
2 Ch 32:13 Know ye not what I and my fathers have done unto all the people of other lands? were the gods of the nations of those lands any ways able to deliver their lands out of mine hand?
2 Ch 32:17 He wrote also letters to rail on the LORD God of Israel, and to speak against him, saying, As the gods of the nations of other lands have not delivered their people out of mine hand, so shall not the God of Hez-e-ki'-ah deliver his people out mine hand.
2 Ch 32:19 And they spake against the God of Jerusalem, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.
2 Ch 32:21 And the LORD sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valour, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he was come into the house of his god, they that came forth of his own bowels slew him there with the sword.
2 Ch 33:15 And he took away the strange gods, and the idol out of the house of the LORD, and all the altars that he had built in the mount of the house of the LORD, and in Jerusalem, and cast them out of the city.
2 Ch 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.
Ezr 1:7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the LORD, which Neb-u-chad-nez'-zar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;
Ps 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Ps 86:8 Among the gods theree is none like unto thee, O LORD; neither are there any works like unto thy works.
Ps 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Ps 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Ps 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols : but the LORD made the heavens.
Ps 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols : worhip him, all ye gods.
Ps 97:9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
Ps 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.Isa 21:9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horseman. And be answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
Isa 36:18 Beware lest Hez-e-ki'-ah persuade you, saying, The LORD will deliver us. Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
Isa 36:19 Where are the gods of Ha'-math and Ar-phad? Where are the gods of Seph-ar-va'-im? and have they delivered Sa-ma'-ri-a out of my hand
Isa 36:20 Who are they among all the gods of these lands, that have delivered their hand out of my hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem out of my hand?
Isa 37:12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Go'-zan, and Ha'-ran, and Re'zep, and the children of Eden which were in Telas'-sar?
Isa 37:19 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone : therefore they have destroyed them.
Isa 37:38 Ant it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house at Nis'-roch his god, that A-dram'-me-lech and Sha-re'-zer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ar-me'-ni-a: and E'-sar-had'-don his son reigned in his stead.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may known that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 42:17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Jer 1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.
Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
Jer 2:28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy troubles: for accoding to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.
Jer 5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.
Jer 5:19 And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, wherefore doeth the LORD our God all these things unto us? then shalt thou answer them, Like as ye have forsaken me, and served strange gods in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not yours.
Jer 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in the place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer 11:10 They and turned back to the iniquties of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
Jer 11:12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.
Jer 11:13 For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Ba'-al.
Jer 13:10 This evil people, which were refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
Jer 16:11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me , and have not kept my law;
Jer 16:13 Therfore will I cast you out of this land into a hand that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himselve, and they are no gods?
Jer 19:4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jer 19:13 And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of To'-phet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs lthey have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.
Jer 22:9 Then they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.
Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
Jer 32:29 And the Chal-de'-ans, that fight against this city, shall come and set fire on this city, and burn it with the houses, upon whose roofs they have offered incense unto Ba'-al, and poured out drink offerings unto other gods, to provoke me to anger.
Jer 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
Jer 43:12 And I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt; and he shall burn them, and carry them away captives: and he shall array himself with the land of Egypt , as a shepherd putteth on his garment; and he shall go forth from thence in peace.
Jer 43:13 He shall break also the images of Beth-she'-mesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall be burn with fire.
Jer 44:3 Because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.
Jer 44:5 But they hearkend not, nor inclined their ear to turn from the wickedness, to burn no incense unto other god,
Jer 44:8 In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and reproach among all the nations of the earth?
Jer 44:15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Path'-ros, anwered Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 46:25 The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; Behold, I will punish the multidude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods , and their kings; even Pharaoh, and all them that trust in him:
Jer 48:35 Moreover I will cause to cease in Moab, saith the LORD, him that offereth in the high places, and him that burneth incence to his gods.
Dan 1:2 And the LORD gave Je-hol'-a-kim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shi'-nar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.
Dan 11:8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods; wih their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.
Hos 3:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love flagons of wine.
Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
Hos 14:3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Am 2:8 And they lay themselves down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.
Am 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chi'-un your imaages, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Jon 1:5 Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
Mic 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
Nah 1:14 And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.
Zep 2:11 The LORD will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.
從上述原文用法, 可知Elohiym不只是God, 而且也是god和gods. 如果Elohiym是三位一的體的話, 那上述之外邦god和gods 是否也是三位一體?
除了God, god和 gods之外, Elohiym也譯為judges, judge和 angel. 那他們是否也是三位一體? 其原文(430)用法如下:
Ex 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and be shall serve him forever.
Ex 22:8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods.
1 Sa 2:25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.
Ps 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than angels and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Mal 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
考証Apostolic Bible Polygot, 舊約的神字(430), 新約以Strong號碼2316代之. 其解釋為God, a god和magistrate. 參閱希臘文之2316, 其意思如下:
聖經原文字典(浸宣出版社) : 神. 在新約中出現1304次, 在七十士譯本, 以此希臘文所表達的希伯來文的Strongs號碼為430, 433和426. 同一本字典解釋433為諸神之一.. 在和合本總共出現57次. 426字意為神, 神祇, 相當與433.
The Strongest Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible (Zondervan) : God, usually referring to the one true God; in a very few contexts it refers to a (pagan) god or goddes. The “son of God”as tittle of Jesus emphasizes his unique relationship to the Father. “The god of this age” refers to the devil.在KJV中譯為God/god 1309次, God's15次, gods 8次, godly6 次, Godward 2次.
聖經原文串珠註解(浸宣出版社) : 在新約的意思為神, 原文字義是神, 相當與舊約之0002, 1321和1723. 0002為神, 與strong號碼0430相同; 1321亦神, 與strong 號碼433相同. 1723也是神, 與strong 號碼0426相同.
Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary (Thomas Nelson Publisher) : 2316 was appropriated by Jews and retained by Christian to denote “the one true God.” In the Septuagint, 2316 translates (with fes exception) the Hebrew words Elohim and Jehovah, the former indicating His power and preminence, the latter His unoriginated, immutable, eternal and self-sustained exixtance.
The New Strong's Concise Dictionary of Bible Words: of uncertainly affixed; a deity, sepecially the supreme Divinity: figuretively a majistrate; by Hebrew, very, exceedingly, God, god, godly, godward.
Hebrew Greek Key Study Bible (NIV) :其號碼為2536. 其意思為God; (pagaan) god, Goddess. 此書又進一步解釋: God, Deity; (false) god; ruler, judge. In the New Testament used us The Triune God, corresponding to the hebrew tittle elohiym know as the tetratgranematan YHWH.
The Complete Word Study Dictionary: masculine noun. God. Originally used by the heathen, but in the New Testament as the name of the true God. The heathen thought the gods were makers and disposers (placers) of all things. The ancient Greeks used the word both in the singular and the plural. When they used the plural, they intimated their belief that elements had their own “disposer” or “placer”, e.g., the god of moneh called mammon (Matt 6:24; Luke 16:9,13). The heavens were the grand objects of divine worship throughout the heathen world as is apparent from the names attributed to the gods by the ancient greeks. The Scriptures also attest to this (Act7:42, 43; Deut 4:19; 17:3; 2Kgs. 17:16; 23:4,5; Job 31:26,27; Jer 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5).
如考證原文2316的用法, 可知除了God以外, 它也譯為god和gods. 茲將其原文譯法抄錄如下:
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not write in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Mo'-loch, and the star of your god Rem'-phan, figures which ye made to worship them : and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, Is is the voice of a god and not of a man.
Acts 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Eph'-e-sus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Acts 28:6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
1 Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
3 Joh 6 which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:
結果還是一樣, 2316 譯為 God, god, gods 和godly. 'gods' 的複數是多位神, 而不是多位位格. 從其原文用法來看, Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible (NIV) 所給于的定義, 即三位一體, 是沒有聖經根據的. 其理由如下:
第一, 他們必須假設gods (elohiym)為many 而非many gods.
第二, 他們必須假設所謂的many是三.
第三, 他們必須假設many 的東西是位格.
這也就是說, 三位一體的理論完全建立在假設上. 只要其中一個假設不成立, 整個三位一體的理論就倒了.
進而解釋elohiym乃暗指神的三個位格. 此說法是否可取, 只要我們看看其字義即可知道:
在聖經原文舊約希伯來字典(浸宣出版社) 第26頁註明其字義為神或諸神. 此字在和合本譯為神2512次, 神像11次, 審判官3, 神明2次, 主2次, 審判1次, 像1次, 尊大的1次 , 虔誠1次, 甚大的1次, 天使1次, 女神1次, 士師1次, 總數為2538次.
聖經原文串珠註解( 浸宣出版社) 第1和第2頁解釋得很清楚::
“神"創1:1; 原文字義是’大能者; 起誓約束自己者’. 在不同的上下文中,也譯成'尊
大'( 創'23:6); '大大' '甚大' (創30:8; 撒上14:15); '天使'(詩8:5), 各1次, 其餘250次均譯成神. HB 0430 在七十士譯本以 2316 表達. GK 2316 在新約中譯為'神'太1:23; 在舊約開始說明神是創造宇宙萬有及人類的神, 在新約第一章開始重新敘述'神要與我們同在'.
The New Strong's Concise Dictionary of Bible Words (Thomas Nelson Publishers)之English Index to the biblical language 對elohiym的解釋為God; gods; great ones(第13頁). 同一本書之New Strong's Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Hebrew Bible 作如下解釋:
Plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural, thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates, and sometimes as a superlative: -angels, excedingly God (gods) (-dess), (very) great, judges, mighty.
在The Hebrews-Greek (AMG Publishers) 之Lexical Aids to the Old Testament Goodrick-Kohlenberger numbering system, 其號碼為466(第1504頁), 其解釋為God; god. The most common Hebrews word translated 'God' in the OT. Occasionally with modifiers such as righteous (Ps7:9), living (1Sa17.26), holy(Jos24:19), and true (2 Ch 15:3). Plural in form, but has both singular and plural uses. Usually takes a singular verb, so no implication of any plurality in the divine nature can be infexed from the fact that the word is plural. When used as a plural, it can refer to rulers of judges with divine autority (Ex21:6), pagan gods (Ex 18:11; Ps86:8), and angels (Ps8:5). In the singular it can denote a god or a goddes (1Sa 5:7; 2Ki18:33) and a man representing God (Ex7:1), God (Dt7:9; Ezr 1:3; Isa45:18)
同一本書之Concise Dictionary of The Hebrews 第1905頁如此說: God (pl of majesty); gods; mighty one, great one; judge; (same as Strong number 430).
在the Strongest Strong Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible之Hebres-Aramaic Dictionary -Index to the OT (第1360頁)解釋如下:
God (plural of majesty: plural in form but singular in meaning, with a focus on great power);
gods (true grammatical plural); any person characterized by greatness or power; mighty one, great one, judge.
在聖經辭典上冊A-J (天道書樓有限公司)第572頁如此說:
伊羅興雖然是復數, 但也可以作是單數來解釋, 意即'最高的神' (英文譯作'God', '神').文法上來說, 伊羅興像英文的God字一樣, 是個普通名詞. 所表達的是關呼神的一切觀念跟人(民23:19)和其他受造之物為對比. 用伊羅興來形容宇宙性或普世性的關係, 是適切(創 1:1), 因為只有一位至高的真神, 而他是有位格的. 依羅興在性質上接近專有名詞, 但沒失去他抽象和概念方面的特質.
在 The Complete Words Study Dictionary Old Testament (AMG Publisher)第54頁提到三位一體, 但聲明其意思只是間接提到而已. 茲將其註釋抄錄如下:
A masculine plural noun meaning God, gods, judges, angels.Occuring more than 2600 times in Old Testament, this word commonly designates the One True God (Gen1:1) and is often paired with God's unique name Yehowah (3068)(Gen 2:4; Ps100:3). When the word is used as the generic designation of God, it convey in Scripture that God is the Creator (Gen5:1); the King (Ps47:7[8]); the Judge (Ps 50:6); the Lord (Ps86:12); and the Savior (Hos13:4). His character is compassionate(Deut4:13); gracious (Ps116:5); and faithfully to His covenant (Deut 7:9).In fewer instances, this word refer to foreign gods, such as Dagon(1Sam 5:7) or Baal(1Kgs18:24). It also might refer to judges (Es22:8[7]; 9[8]) or angels as gods (Ps97:7). Although the form of this word is plural, it is frequently used as if it was singular, that is, with a singular word (Gen1:1-31; Ex2:24). The plural form of this word may be regarded (1) as intensive to indicate God's fullness of power; (2) as majestic to indicate God's kingly rule; (3) as an allusion of the trinity (Gen1:26). The singular form of the word eloah (433) occurs only in poetry(Ps50:22; Isa44:8). The shortenend form of the word is el(410).
在聖經中, 包括上述主張三位一體的Comlete Word Study Dictionary Old Testament, 都提到elohiym 其中的意思為plural of majestic 的神(God), 外邦人的神(god)和諸神或多神(gods); 絶對沒含有多位的意思. 主張三位一體的人, 先有三位一體的概念, 然後才來找聖經章節來支持之. 就算Elohiym 是多位而非多神, 也未必是多位位格. 因為如果是多位的話, 可以多位其他東西!
所謂的神(god) 或多神(gods), 我們可以從其原文用法(430) 可得知(經文全引自KJV):
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be openend, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 31:32 With whomsoever thou findest the gods, let him not live: before our brethren discern thou what is thine with me, and that Rachel had stolen them.
Gen 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments.
Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by She'-chem.
Ex7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh : and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Ex12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
Ex 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods : for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Ex 20:23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
Ex 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Ex 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
Ex 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect : and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy month.
Ex 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works : but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
Ex 23:32 Thou shalt make no covenent with them, nor with their gods.
Ex 23:33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me : for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
Ex 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for us for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Ex32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Ex32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Ex 32:23 For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Ex 32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
Ex 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
Ex 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
Ex 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Lev 19:4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
Nu 25:2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
Nu 33:4 For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods, before me.
Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go afer other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
Deu 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods:
so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.
Deu 7:16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them : neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.
Deu 7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver of gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Deu10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and LORD of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deu11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worhip them;
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not know.
Deu 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all places, wherein the nation which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree.
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name or other gods, even that prophet shall die..
Deu 30:17 But if thine hearth turn away, so that thou will not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and woship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the stranger of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
Deu 31:18 And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought in that they turn to other gods.
Deu31:20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me : I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Jos 23:7 That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, now bow your-selves unto them:
Jos 23:16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
Jos 24:2 And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Te'-rah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Na'-chor: and they serve other gods.
Jos 24:14 Now therfore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt, and serve ye the LORD.
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Jos 24:16 And the people answerd and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods;
Jos 24:20 If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
Jos 24:23 Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God.of Israel.
Jud 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
Jud 2:12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themsleve unto them, and provoke the LORD to anger.
Jud 2:17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them; they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
Jud 2:19 And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.
Jud 5:8 They close new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?
Jud 6:31 And Jo'-ash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for Ba'-al? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning: if he be a god, let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar.
Jud 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Ba'-al-im, and make Ba'al-be'-rith their god.
Jud 9:27 And they went out into the fields, and gathered their vineyards, and trode the grapes, and make merry, and went into the house of their god, and did eat and drink, and cursed A-bim'-e-lech.
Jud 10:6 And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD, and served Ba'-al-im, and Ash'-ta-roth, and the gods of Syria, and the gods of Zi'-don, and the godsof Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines, and forsook the LORD, and served not him.
Jud 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.
Jud 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
Jud 10:16 And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served th LORD: and his soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.
Jud 11:24 Wilt not thou possess that which Che'-mosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess.
Jud16:23 Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Da'-gon their god, and to rejoice: for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand.
Jud 16:24 And when the people saw him, they praised their gods : for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us.
Jud 18:24 And he said, Ye have taken away my gods which I made, and the priest, and ye are gone away: and what have I more? an what is this that ye said unto me, what aileth thee?
Ru 1:15 And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law.
1 Sa 5:7 And when the men of Ash'-dod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us : for his hand is sore upon us, and upon Da'gon our god.
1 Sa 6:5 Wherefore ye shall make images of your emerods, and images of your mice that mar the land: and ye shall give glory unto the God of Israel : peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods, once from off your land.
1 Sa 7:3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the LORD with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ash'-ta-roth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the LORD, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.
1 Sa 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1 Sa 17:43 And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that then comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods.
1 Sa 26:19 Now therefore, I pray thee, let my lord the king hear the words of his servant. If the LORD have stirred thee up against me, let him accept an offering: but if they be the children of men, cursed be they before the LORD; for they have driven me out this day from abiding in the inheritance of the LORD, saying, Go, serve other gods.
1 Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
2 Sa 7:23 And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Isreal, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?
1 K 9:6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
1 K 9:9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them : therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.
1 K11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods : Solomon clave unto these in love.
1 K 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods : and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
1 K 11:5 For Solomon went after Ash'-to-reth the goddess of the Zi-do'-ni-ans, and after Mil'-com, the abomination of the Ammonites.
1 K 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
1 K 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods : but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
1 K 11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ash'-to-reth the goddess of the Zi-do'-ni-ans, Che'-mosh the god of the Moabites, and Mil'-com the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep statutes and my judments, as did David his father.
1 K 12:28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem : behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
1 K 14:9 But hast done evil above all that were before thee: for thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back:
1 K 18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, it is well spoken.
1 K 18:25 And E-li'jah said unto the prophets of Ba'-al, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
1 K 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that E-li'-jah mocked them, and said, cry aloud : for he is a god, either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
1 K 19:2 Then Jez'-e-bel sent a messenger unto E-li'-jah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time.
1 K 20:10 And Ben-ha'-dad sent unto him, and said, The gods do so unto me, and more also, if the dust of Sa-ma'-ri-a shall suffice for handfuls for all the people that follow me.
1 K20:23 And the servants of the king of Syria said unto him, Their gods are gods of the hills: therfore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.
2 K 1:2 Aand A-ha-zi'-ah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Sa-ma'-ri-a, and was sick : and he sent his messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Ba'-al-ze'bub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.
2 K 1:3 But the angel of the LORD said to E-li'-jah the Tish'-bite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Sa-ma'-ri-a, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron?
2 K 1:6 And they said unto him, There come a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him; Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
2 K 1:16 And he said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Ba'-al-ze'-bub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of his word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
2 K 5:17 And Na'-a-man said, shall there not then, I pray thee, be given to thy servant two mules' burden of earth? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD.
2 K 17:7 For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods,
2 K17:29 Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Sa-mar'-i-tans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.
2 K 17:31 And the A'-vites made Nib'-haz and Tartak, and the Se'-phar-vites burnt their children in fire to A-dram'-me-lech and A-nam'-me-lech, the godsof Se-phar-va'-im.
2 K 17:33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.
2 K 17:35 With whom the LORD had made a covenant, and charged them, saying, Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them:
2 K17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
2 K 17:38 And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
2 K 18:33 Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered at all his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
2 K 18:34 Where are the gods Ha'-math, and of Ar'-pad? where are the gods of Se-phar-va'-im, He'-na, and I'-vah? Have they delivered Sa-ma'-ri-a out of mine hand?
2K 18:35 Who are they among all the gods of the countries, that have delivered their country out of mine hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem out of mine hand?
2 K 19:12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; as Go'-zan, and Ha'-ran, and Re'-zeph, and the children of Eden which were in The-la'-sar?
2 K 19:18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.
2 K 19:37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nis'-roch his god, that A-dram'-me-lech and Sha-re'-zer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Ar-me'-ni-a. And E'-sar-had'-don his son reigned in his stead.
2 K 22:17 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched.
1 Ch 5:25 And they transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them.
1 Ch 10:10 And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastenend his head in the temple of Da'-gon.
1 Ch 14:12 And when they had left their gods there, David gave a commandment, and they were burned with fire.
1 Ch 16:25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods.
1 Ch 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
2 Ch 2:5 And the house which I build is great : for great is our God above all gods.
2 Ch 7:19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statues and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
2 Ch 7:22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
2 Ch 13:8 And now ye think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD in the Hand of the sons of David; and ye be a great multitude, and there are with you golden calves, which Jer-o-bo'-am made you for gods.
2 Ch 13:9 Have ye not cast out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and have made you priest after the manner of the nations of other lands? so that whosoever cometh to consecrate himself with a young bullock and seven rams, the same may be a priest of them that are no gods.
2 Ch 25:14 Now it came to pass, after that Am-a-zi'-ah was come from the slaughter of the Edomites, that he brought the gods of the children of Se'-ir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down himself before them, and burned incense unto them,
2 Ch 25:15 Wherefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against Am-a-zi'-ah, and he sent unto him a prophet, which said unto him, Why hast thou sought after the gods of the people, which could not deliver their own people out of thine hand?
2 Ch 25:20 But Am-a-zi'ah would not hear; for it came of God, that he might deliver them into the hand of their enemies, because they sought after the gods of Edom.
2 Ch 28:23 For he sacrificed unto the gods of Damascus, which smote him : and he said, Because the gods of the kings of Syria help them, therefore will I sacrifice to them, that they may help me, But they were the ruin of him, and of all Israel.
2 Ch 28:25 And in every several city of Judah made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the LORD God of his father.
2 Ch 32:13 Know ye not what I and my fathers have done unto all the people of other lands? were the gods of the nations of those lands any ways able to deliver their lands out of mine hand?
2 Ch 32:17 He wrote also letters to rail on the LORD God of Israel, and to speak against him, saying, As the gods of the nations of other lands have not delivered their people out of mine hand, so shall not the God of Hez-e-ki'-ah deliver his people out mine hand.
2 Ch 32:19 And they spake against the God of Jerusalem, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.
2 Ch 32:21 And the LORD sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valour, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. So he returned with shame of face to his own land. And when he was come into the house of his god, they that came forth of his own bowels slew him there with the sword.
2 Ch 33:15 And he took away the strange gods, and the idol out of the house of the LORD, and all the altars that he had built in the mount of the house of the LORD, and in Jerusalem, and cast them out of the city.
2 Ch 34:25 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.
Ezr 1:7 Also Cyrus the king brought forth the vessels of the house of the LORD, which Neb-u-chad-nez'-zar had brought forth out of Jerusalem, and had put them in the house of his gods;
Ps 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Ps 86:8 Among the gods theree is none like unto thee, O LORD; neither are there any works like unto thy works.
Ps 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Ps 96:4 For the LORD is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods.
Ps 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols : but the LORD made the heavens.
Ps 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols : worhip him, all ye gods.
Ps 97:9 For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
Ps 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.Isa 21:9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horseman. And be answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
Isa 36:18 Beware lest Hez-e-ki'-ah persuade you, saying, The LORD will deliver us. Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
Isa 36:19 Where are the gods of Ha'-math and Ar-phad? Where are the gods of Seph-ar-va'-im? and have they delivered Sa-ma'-ri-a out of my hand
Isa 36:20 Who are they among all the gods of these lands, that have delivered their hand out of my hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem out of my hand?
Isa 37:12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Go'-zan, and Ha'-ran, and Re'zep, and the children of Eden which were in Telas'-sar?
Isa 37:19 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone : therefore they have destroyed them.
Isa 37:38 Ant it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house at Nis'-roch his god, that A-dram'-me-lech and Sha-re'-zer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ar-me'-ni-a: and E'-sar-had'-don his son reigned in his stead.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may known that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 42:17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Jer 1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.
Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
Jer 2:28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy troubles: for accoding to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.
Jer 5:7 How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.
Jer 5:19 And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, wherefore doeth the LORD our God all these things unto us? then shalt thou answer them, Like as ye have forsaken me, and served strange gods in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not yours.
Jer 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in the place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer 11:10 They and turned back to the iniquties of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
Jer 11:12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.
Jer 11:13 For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Ba'-al.
Jer 13:10 This evil people, which were refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
Jer 16:11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me , and have not kept my law;
Jer 16:13 Therfore will I cast you out of this land into a hand that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.
Jer 16:20 Shall a man make gods unto himselve, and they are no gods?
Jer 19:4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jer 19:13 And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of To'-phet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs lthey have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.
Jer 22:9 Then they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.
Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
Jer 32:29 And the Chal-de'-ans, that fight against this city, shall come and set fire on this city, and burn it with the houses, upon whose roofs they have offered incense unto Ba'-al, and poured out drink offerings unto other gods, to provoke me to anger.
Jer 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
Jer 43:12 And I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt; and he shall burn them, and carry them away captives: and he shall array himself with the land of Egypt , as a shepherd putteth on his garment; and he shall go forth from thence in peace.
Jer 43:13 He shall break also the images of Beth-she'-mesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall be burn with fire.
Jer 44:3 Because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.
Jer 44:5 But they hearkend not, nor inclined their ear to turn from the wickedness, to burn no incense unto other god,
Jer 44:8 In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and reproach among all the nations of the earth?
Jer 44:15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Path'-ros, anwered Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 46:25 The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saith; Behold, I will punish the multidude of No, and Pharaoh, and Egypt, with their gods , and their kings; even Pharaoh, and all them that trust in him:
Jer 48:35 Moreover I will cause to cease in Moab, saith the LORD, him that offereth in the high places, and him that burneth incence to his gods.
Dan 1:2 And the LORD gave Je-hol'-a-kim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shi'-nar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.
Dan 11:8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods; wih their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.
Hos 3:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love flagons of wine.
Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
Hos 14:3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Am 2:8 And they lay themselves down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.
Am 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chi'-un your imaages, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Jon 1:5 Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
Mic 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
Nah 1:14 And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.
Zep 2:11 The LORD will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen.
從上述原文用法, 可知Elohiym不只是God, 而且也是god和gods. 如果Elohiym是三位一的體的話, 那上述之外邦god和gods 是否也是三位一體?
除了God, god和 gods之外, Elohiym也譯為judges, judge和 angel. 那他們是否也是三位一體? 其原文(430)用法如下:
Ex 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and be shall serve him forever.
Ex 22:8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods.
1 Sa 2:25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.
Ps 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than angels and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Mal 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
考証Apostolic Bible Polygot, 舊約的神字(430), 新約以Strong號碼2316代之. 其解釋為God, a god和magistrate. 參閱希臘文之2316, 其意思如下:
聖經原文字典(浸宣出版社) : 神. 在新約中出現1304次, 在七十士譯本, 以此希臘文所表達的希伯來文的Strongs號碼為430, 433和426. 同一本字典解釋433為諸神之一.. 在和合本總共出現57次. 426字意為神, 神祇, 相當與433.
The Strongest Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible (Zondervan) : God, usually referring to the one true God; in a very few contexts it refers to a (pagan) god or goddes. The “son of God”as tittle of Jesus emphasizes his unique relationship to the Father. “The god of this age” refers to the devil.在KJV中譯為God/god 1309次, God's15次, gods 8次, godly6 次, Godward 2次.
聖經原文串珠註解(浸宣出版社) : 在新約的意思為神, 原文字義是神, 相當與舊約之0002, 1321和1723. 0002為神, 與strong號碼0430相同; 1321亦神, 與strong 號碼433相同. 1723也是神, 與strong 號碼0426相同.
Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary (Thomas Nelson Publisher) : 2316 was appropriated by Jews and retained by Christian to denote “the one true God.” In the Septuagint, 2316 translates (with fes exception) the Hebrew words Elohim and Jehovah, the former indicating His power and preminence, the latter His unoriginated, immutable, eternal and self-sustained exixtance.
The New Strong's Concise Dictionary of Bible Words: of uncertainly affixed; a deity, sepecially the supreme Divinity: figuretively a majistrate; by Hebrew, very, exceedingly, God, god, godly, godward.
Hebrew Greek Key Study Bible (NIV) :其號碼為2536. 其意思為God; (pagaan) god, Goddess. 此書又進一步解釋: God, Deity; (false) god; ruler, judge. In the New Testament used us The Triune God, corresponding to the hebrew tittle elohiym know as the tetratgranematan YHWH.
The Complete Word Study Dictionary: masculine noun. God. Originally used by the heathen, but in the New Testament as the name of the true God. The heathen thought the gods were makers and disposers (placers) of all things. The ancient Greeks used the word both in the singular and the plural. When they used the plural, they intimated their belief that elements had their own “disposer” or “placer”, e.g., the god of moneh called mammon (Matt 6:24; Luke 16:9,13). The heavens were the grand objects of divine worship throughout the heathen world as is apparent from the names attributed to the gods by the ancient greeks. The Scriptures also attest to this (Act7:42, 43; Deut 4:19; 17:3; 2Kgs. 17:16; 23:4,5; Job 31:26,27; Jer 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5).
如考證原文2316的用法, 可知除了God以外, 它也譯為god和gods. 茲將其原文譯法抄錄如下:
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not write in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Mo'-loch, and the star of your god Rem'-phan, figures which ye made to worship them : and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, Is is the voice of a god and not of a man.
Acts 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Eph'-e-sus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Acts 28:6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
1 Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
3 Joh 6 which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:
結果還是一樣, 2316 譯為 God, god, gods 和godly. 'gods' 的複數是多位神, 而不是多位位格. 從其原文用法來看, Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible (NIV) 所給于的定義, 即三位一體, 是沒有聖經根據的. 其理由如下:
第一, 他們必須假設gods (elohiym)為many 而非many gods.
第二, 他們必須假設所謂的many是三.
第三, 他們必須假設many 的東西是位格.
這也就是說, 三位一體的理論完全建立在假設上. 只要其中一個假設不成立, 整個三位一體的理論就倒了.
2008年11月2日 星期日
歸正學義網 - 鐘鵬章與我的對話
鐘鵬章在一篇 與[真耶穌教會的會友對話 三] 裏 形容我像鬼魂一樣, “丟棄了良心 ,就在真道上如同船破壞了的( 提前一19), 大發謬論. 其實他所刊登他回覆我的文章, 是經過刪减的. 敢罵人, 卻不敢承認, 到底是誰丟棄了良心? 茲將原本的答覆刊登出來, 並以『 』作為刪減的標記, 讓諸位讀者一目瞭然, 也順便評論一下我兩的對話.
鐘鵬章之答覆
很久沒有聽到人公開地説上帝不是三位一體的上帝. 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 倒是[真耶穌教會]夠膽量, 也夠大方, 說"聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論?..." 這也難怪, 他們向來都自視過高, 以基督教的"紅衛兵"自居, 要打倒兩千年的傳統, 自立門戶.
聖靈有位格嗎? 約十四:16,26耶穌說:"我要求父, 父就另外賜給你們一位保惠師, 叫他永遠與你們同在... 但保惠師, 就是父因我的名所要差來的聖靈, 他要將一切的事指教你們, 並且要叫你們想起我對你們所說的一切話. 我在[基督生平]的第一百五十課這樣解釋:
"一位保惠師"-- 一位的原文是allon, 不是heteron. Allon 是 another of like kind, heteron 是another of a different sort. 所以聖靈上帝雖與耶穌有著相同的屬性, 出自同一個本體, 但卻與耶穌有不同的位格.
"但保惠師.. 他要將一切的事指教你們.."-- 這裏的"他", 原文是ekeinos, 是個男性代名詞, 而不是用中性的"它"來呼應中性的名詞"靈"(pneuma), 可見聖靈是有位格的.
當然在聖經裏還有許多經文可以證明這點, 只要花點時間研讀[聖靈論], 就可以一清二楚. 西諺雲: Truth needs no colours.(真理無須點綴.) 但經過二千年教義的發揚光大, 為甚麼[真耶穌教會]獨排眾議, 還不明白呢? 原來西諺又說: "A blind man cannot judge colours." (盲人判別不了顏色.) 因為他們都是瞎子阿!
我的評論: 鐘牧師提到, 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 鐘牧師是否可提供真實的例子, 因為我也想知道到底是誰 "偷偷摸摸"的這様做.
我從沒說過聖靈沒位格, 但鐘牧師卻指我這樣說, 並"自彈自唱"的反駁. 如果不知道人家的觀點, 就應虛心請教, 然後覺得不妥時, 再來反駁也不遲.
鐘鵬章之答覆
你看來連最基本的"位格"和"體"的意義都搞不清楚 怪不得相信記[真耶酥教會]的謬論. 你最好趕快將約翰加爾文的[基督教要義]第一卷第十三章有關上帝的一個本體包含三個位格仔細查考, 免得把"位格"和"體"混淆不清, 讀聖經時完全落入盲點, 在字裏行間團團轉, 昏頭暈腦, 分不清是非黑白! 趕快! 我再說, 趕快! 不然後悔莫及.
在我的網站上, 你也可以在[袖珍神學詞典]欄, 輸入關鍵字"三位一體"(沒有引號)找到一些資料. 其中有一則說:
"有關聖經中心三位一體的道理, 有兩件事情是必須謹記的: 神只有一位 三個位格皆被稱為神. 以下是這教義簡單的陳述: 父被稱為神(林前八6); 子被稱為神(來一8至10); 聖靈也被稱為神(徒五3至4); 神是一位(申六4). 這四句陳述句子的綜合, 就是三位一體的教訓. 我們另外還有一些新約的經文, 證明父, 子, 聖靈之間的這種關係, 切定他們之間的合一及平等.
耶穌吩咐使徒為信徒施洗時, 是"奉父, 子, 聖靈的名" 施洗的(太二十八18). 這清楚說明, 三位是平等合一的. 馬利亞的懷孕, 也是聖靈的工作: 聖靈臨到馬利亞的身上, 神的能力荫庇她, 她所生的兒子, 被稱為神的兒子(路一35). 耶穌受洗時, 神的三位格個別地顯現(這是對形態論的馭斥, 比較路三21至22). 約翰福音十四章16節是另一次提及三位的合一. 子求父, 父就差遣聖靈, 永遠住在信徒裏面. 三位的合一清楚不過了. 羅馬書八章9至11節又提及, 神的三位在信徒裏面. 哥林多後書十三章14節的祝福語, 是父, 子, 聖靈的平等和合一, 一個強而有力的證據(另比較林前二4至8; 啟一4至5).
我的評論: 上述兩段乃抄自慕迪神學手冊第四版第195頁 作者為殷保羅 姚錦燊譯, 出版者為福音證主協會.
趕快! 我再說, 趕快!
我的答覆
太二十八(18)說是奉父, 子, 聖靈的名施洗, 但在使徒行傳裏 , 都是奉耶穌的名受洗 ((徒二16 , 八(16), 十(48), 十九(5)). 如果"耶穌" 單單指子這一位格, 那使徒所作的, 不是等於宣告子高過其他兩個位格?
鐘鵬章的答覆
我看你真的是讀死書, 任何一本解經書都能告訴你, [使徒行傳] 不是[教會手冊], 告訴人教會的行政組織, 禮義規條. 路加在這裏特別強調奉耶穌基督的名施洗, 是針對猶太人說的, 要他們知道他們所釘在十字架上的耶穌就是基督, 要他們認罪悔改, 奉這個名受洗. 這裏不是數學的公式, 說耶穌等於或不等於 ''父, 子, 聖靈''. 你的解經一再證明你落入盲點, 在字裏行重間昏頭暈腦, 完全迷糊不清. 再讀下去, 你也許還會說, 路加在福音書沒有告訴人奉甚麼名施洗, 所以洗禮是可有可無的.
我要你趕快查考約翰加爾文的"基督教要義"卷一第十三章, 就是希望你從這些敬虔的人身上學習真道. 兩千年來, 不少人窮一生的時間, 鑽研聖經, 把所領受的與人分享, 將基督教義發揚光大. 你自己花了多少時間在"三位 一體"的查考上? 連"位格"和"體"你都不清不楚, 只是從[真耶穌教會]那裏抄來一些人云亦云的東西, 就想把基督教的教義核心"三位一體"推翻, 難道你真的以為這些人都是"法利賽人", 而你或你們就是"真耶穌"! 『你也太目中無人, 唯我獨尊了』傳統教會視 [真耶穌教會]為異端, 不是沒有理由的.
除了[基督教要義], 我還要你仔細地閱讀章立生博士的[系統神學]八冊. 讀完後, 你再回來告訴大家甚麼是"三位一體"的教義, 『不然就別在這裏信口雌黃』.
我的評論: 鐘牧師如何知道我沒讀過加爾文的 [基督教要義], 是否讀了這本書就一定要接受加爾文的觀點?
我的答覆
三位一體, 英文為trinity或 triune, 即tri unitarianism的縮寫, 係特土良發明, 拉丁文為trinitas, 中文直譯係三合一, 根本沒有"體"這個字.
既然你認為我把"體"和"位格"混淆了, 那請你告訴我這兩者的定義(definition)及兩者的關係.
我很奇怪, 為什麼你不叫我研讀基督教神學發展史, 或特土良及奧古斯丁的觀點, 因為這神觀是前者提出, 後者加以發揚.
你這樣注重加爾文的教義, 不知你是否接受加爾文的聖餐觀? 還有, 天主教和東正教的三位一體神觀不同, 請問你維護哪一種傳統?
鐘鵬章的答覆
"取法乎上, 得其中; 取法乎中, 得其下." 你連大師對三位一體的著作都不屑一顧, 反從[真耶穌教會]那裏學歪道, 在這裏亂拋垃圾. 求學沒有捷徑, 要明白真理就要苦心鑽研, 然後才發表自己 "獨得天機"的偉論. 回家讀書吧!
我的評論: 鐘牧師避重就輕, 沒回答我的問題, 不知是否連鐘牧師自己也不清楚"體"和"位格"的定義及兩者之間的關係. 神的"體"有三個"位格", 而每個"位格"都是全能的. 那神的"體"比起神的每一個"位格" 不是更全能嗎? 因為這一"體"擁有三個全能的"位格"啊! 擁有三個全能"位格"的"體", 比起一個全能的"位格", 不是變成全能中的全能嗎?
鐘鵬章又刊登一篇文章如下:
有在大陸的弟兄問我, 網上哪裏可以找到章立生博士的[系統神學]之[上帝論], 因為他們想讀一讀他的"三位一體論". 大家不用費時去找了, 在這裏的[袖珍神學詞典]欄裏, 我放了他寫的"三位一體論", 大家只要在關鍵字的空格內輸入"三位一體"(沒有引號), 然後選"三位一體論(一至七)就可以了. 如果不要進入詞典, 也可用以下的連接:
已故的章立生博士是因為"他(上帝)從高天伸手抓住我"(詩十八:16)而奇妙地信主. 但他並不因此自鳴得意, 反而苦心鑽研聖經, 寫下這百萬言的[系統神學]. 他的"三位一體論"可謂字字珠璣, 不但詳細地解說三位一體, 也駁斥了異端如撒伯留和亞流派的謬論. 『他的精闢論點, 絕對不像一些不學無術的人, 坐在如[真耶穌教會]異端的井裏觀天, 抱著他們領袖從"天"擷取的謬論, 還洋洋得意地以為是"寶貝真理", 到處亂丟, 其實那都是垃圾, 連豬吃了也會吐出來』.
這一篇刪得最多, 如果不想別人知道自己有 罵人的"恩賜", 就不要開口罵人.
我的答覆
『使徒行傳是寫給提阿非羅的, 他是猶太人嗎?; 徒八(14-16), 使徒們為撒瑪利亞人奉耶穌的名施洗, 撒瑪利亞人是猶太人嗎? 徒十(48)奉耶穌的名施洗的是哥尼流, 他是猶太人嗎? 怎麼說是當時是為了讓猶太人瞭解耶穌是彌賽亞而奉耶穌的名施洗?
林後五章(16)約曰: 所以, 我們從今已後不憑著外貌(原文作肉體)認人了. 雖然憑著外貌認過基督, 如今卻不再這樣認他了.
偏偏有人再這樣認他, 硬說在地上工作的是神的第二位格. 為了維護一神論, 硬硬加上一體. 所謂的一體, 毫無聖經根據, 拿出來支持一體的經文, 都是指神是獨一的經文. 請留意, 這些經文都是指神是獨一的, 而不是指神的"體" 而言. 換句話說, 是指獨一真神, 而不是指獨一的三位一體真神!
約十四(8): 腓力對他說: "求主將父顯給我們看, 我們就知足了."
約十四(9): 耶穌對他說: "腓力, 我與你們同在這麼長久, 你還不認識我嗎? 人看見了我, 就是看見了父. 你怎麼說將父顯給我們看呢?"
有些人和腓力一樣, 當別人告訴他時, 卻引來好多攻擊.
為何把帖子刪掉? 可以授課時當負面材料啊!
真是只準州官放火, 不準百姓點燈』.
我的評論: 我所答覆的這一篇, 全部給鐘牧師刪掉. 令人驚訝的是, 鐘牧師連猶太人和外邦人都分不清楚!
鐘鵬章之答覆
很久沒有聽到人公開地説上帝不是三位一體的上帝. 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 倒是[真耶穌教會]夠膽量, 也夠大方, 說"聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論?..." 這也難怪, 他們向來都自視過高, 以基督教的"紅衛兵"自居, 要打倒兩千年的傳統, 自立門戶.
聖靈有位格嗎? 約十四:16,26耶穌說:"我要求父, 父就另外賜給你們一位保惠師, 叫他永遠與你們同在... 但保惠師, 就是父因我的名所要差來的聖靈, 他要將一切的事指教你們, 並且要叫你們想起我對你們所說的一切話. 我在[基督生平]的第一百五十課這樣解釋:
"一位保惠師"-- 一位的原文是allon, 不是heteron. Allon 是 another of like kind, heteron 是another of a different sort. 所以聖靈上帝雖與耶穌有著相同的屬性, 出自同一個本體, 但卻與耶穌有不同的位格.
"但保惠師.. 他要將一切的事指教你們.."-- 這裏的"他", 原文是ekeinos, 是個男性代名詞, 而不是用中性的"它"來呼應中性的名詞"靈"(pneuma), 可見聖靈是有位格的.
當然在聖經裏還有許多經文可以證明這點, 只要花點時間研讀[聖靈論], 就可以一清二楚. 西諺雲: Truth needs no colours.(真理無須點綴.) 但經過二千年教義的發揚光大, 為甚麼[真耶穌教會]獨排眾議, 還不明白呢? 原來西諺又說: "A blind man cannot judge colours." (盲人判別不了顏色.) 因為他們都是瞎子阿!
我的評論: 鐘牧師提到, 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 鐘牧師是否可提供真實的例子, 因為我也想知道到底是誰 "偷偷摸摸"的這様做.
我從沒說過聖靈沒位格, 但鐘牧師卻指我這樣說, 並"自彈自唱"的反駁. 如果不知道人家的觀點, 就應虛心請教, 然後覺得不妥時, 再來反駁也不遲.
鐘鵬章之答覆
你看來連最基本的"位格"和"體"的意義都搞不清楚 怪不得相信記[真耶酥教會]的謬論. 你最好趕快將約翰加爾文的[基督教要義]第一卷第十三章有關上帝的一個本體包含三個位格仔細查考, 免得把"位格"和"體"混淆不清, 讀聖經時完全落入盲點, 在字裏行間團團轉, 昏頭暈腦, 分不清是非黑白! 趕快! 我再說, 趕快! 不然後悔莫及.
在我的網站上, 你也可以在[袖珍神學詞典]欄, 輸入關鍵字"三位一體"(沒有引號)找到一些資料. 其中有一則說:
"有關聖經中心三位一體的道理, 有兩件事情是必須謹記的: 神只有一位 三個位格皆被稱為神. 以下是這教義簡單的陳述: 父被稱為神(林前八6); 子被稱為神(來一8至10); 聖靈也被稱為神(徒五3至4); 神是一位(申六4). 這四句陳述句子的綜合, 就是三位一體的教訓. 我們另外還有一些新約的經文, 證明父, 子, 聖靈之間的這種關係, 切定他們之間的合一及平等.
耶穌吩咐使徒為信徒施洗時, 是"奉父, 子, 聖靈的名" 施洗的(太二十八18). 這清楚說明, 三位是平等合一的. 馬利亞的懷孕, 也是聖靈的工作: 聖靈臨到馬利亞的身上, 神的能力荫庇她, 她所生的兒子, 被稱為神的兒子(路一35). 耶穌受洗時, 神的三位格個別地顯現(這是對形態論的馭斥, 比較路三21至22). 約翰福音十四章16節是另一次提及三位的合一. 子求父, 父就差遣聖靈, 永遠住在信徒裏面. 三位的合一清楚不過了. 羅馬書八章9至11節又提及, 神的三位在信徒裏面. 哥林多後書十三章14節的祝福語, 是父, 子, 聖靈的平等和合一, 一個強而有力的證據(另比較林前二4至8; 啟一4至5).
我的評論: 上述兩段乃抄自慕迪神學手冊第四版第195頁 作者為殷保羅 姚錦燊譯, 出版者為福音證主協會.
趕快! 我再說, 趕快!
我的答覆
太二十八(18)說是奉父, 子, 聖靈的名施洗, 但在使徒行傳裏 , 都是奉耶穌的名受洗 ((徒二16 , 八(16), 十(48), 十九(5)). 如果"耶穌" 單單指子這一位格, 那使徒所作的, 不是等於宣告子高過其他兩個位格?
鐘鵬章的答覆
我看你真的是讀死書, 任何一本解經書都能告訴你, [使徒行傳] 不是[教會手冊], 告訴人教會的行政組織, 禮義規條. 路加在這裏特別強調奉耶穌基督的名施洗, 是針對猶太人說的, 要他們知道他們所釘在十字架上的耶穌就是基督, 要他們認罪悔改, 奉這個名受洗. 這裏不是數學的公式, 說耶穌等於或不等於 ''父, 子, 聖靈''. 你的解經一再證明你落入盲點, 在字裏行重間昏頭暈腦, 完全迷糊不清. 再讀下去, 你也許還會說, 路加在福音書沒有告訴人奉甚麼名施洗, 所以洗禮是可有可無的.
我要你趕快查考約翰加爾文的"基督教要義"卷一第十三章, 就是希望你從這些敬虔的人身上學習真道. 兩千年來, 不少人窮一生的時間, 鑽研聖經, 把所領受的與人分享, 將基督教義發揚光大. 你自己花了多少時間在"三位 一體"的查考上? 連"位格"和"體"你都不清不楚, 只是從[真耶穌教會]那裏抄來一些人云亦云的東西, 就想把基督教的教義核心"三位一體"推翻, 難道你真的以為這些人都是"法利賽人", 而你或你們就是"真耶穌"! 『你也太目中無人, 唯我獨尊了』傳統教會視 [真耶穌教會]為異端, 不是沒有理由的.
除了[基督教要義], 我還要你仔細地閱讀章立生博士的[系統神學]八冊. 讀完後, 你再回來告訴大家甚麼是"三位一體"的教義, 『不然就別在這裏信口雌黃』.
我的評論: 鐘牧師如何知道我沒讀過加爾文的 [基督教要義], 是否讀了這本書就一定要接受加爾文的觀點?
我的答覆
三位一體, 英文為trinity或 triune, 即tri unitarianism的縮寫, 係特土良發明, 拉丁文為trinitas, 中文直譯係三合一, 根本沒有"體"這個字.
既然你認為我把"體"和"位格"混淆了, 那請你告訴我這兩者的定義(definition)及兩者的關係.
我很奇怪, 為什麼你不叫我研讀基督教神學發展史, 或特土良及奧古斯丁的觀點, 因為這神觀是前者提出, 後者加以發揚.
你這樣注重加爾文的教義, 不知你是否接受加爾文的聖餐觀? 還有, 天主教和東正教的三位一體神觀不同, 請問你維護哪一種傳統?
鐘鵬章的答覆
"取法乎上, 得其中; 取法乎中, 得其下." 你連大師對三位一體的著作都不屑一顧, 反從[真耶穌教會]那裏學歪道, 在這裏亂拋垃圾. 求學沒有捷徑, 要明白真理就要苦心鑽研, 然後才發表自己 "獨得天機"的偉論. 回家讀書吧!
我的評論: 鐘牧師避重就輕, 沒回答我的問題, 不知是否連鐘牧師自己也不清楚"體"和"位格"的定義及兩者之間的關係. 神的"體"有三個"位格", 而每個"位格"都是全能的. 那神的"體"比起神的每一個"位格" 不是更全能嗎? 因為這一"體"擁有三個全能的"位格"啊! 擁有三個全能"位格"的"體", 比起一個全能的"位格", 不是變成全能中的全能嗎?
鐘鵬章又刊登一篇文章如下:
有在大陸的弟兄問我, 網上哪裏可以找到章立生博士的[系統神學]之[上帝論], 因為他們想讀一讀他的"三位一體論". 大家不用費時去找了, 在這裏的[袖珍神學詞典]欄裏, 我放了他寫的"三位一體論", 大家只要在關鍵字的空格內輸入"三位一體"(沒有引號), 然後選"三位一體論(一至七)就可以了. 如果不要進入詞典, 也可用以下的連接:
已故的章立生博士是因為"他(上帝)從高天伸手抓住我"(詩十八:16)而奇妙地信主. 但他並不因此自鳴得意, 反而苦心鑽研聖經, 寫下這百萬言的[系統神學]. 他的"三位一體論"可謂字字珠璣, 不但詳細地解說三位一體, 也駁斥了異端如撒伯留和亞流派的謬論. 『他的精闢論點, 絕對不像一些不學無術的人, 坐在如[真耶穌教會]異端的井裏觀天, 抱著他們領袖從"天"擷取的謬論, 還洋洋得意地以為是"寶貝真理", 到處亂丟, 其實那都是垃圾, 連豬吃了也會吐出來』.
這一篇刪得最多, 如果不想別人知道自己有 罵人的"恩賜", 就不要開口罵人.
我的答覆
『使徒行傳是寫給提阿非羅的, 他是猶太人嗎?; 徒八(14-16), 使徒們為撒瑪利亞人奉耶穌的名施洗, 撒瑪利亞人是猶太人嗎? 徒十(48)奉耶穌的名施洗的是哥尼流, 他是猶太人嗎? 怎麼說是當時是為了讓猶太人瞭解耶穌是彌賽亞而奉耶穌的名施洗?
林後五章(16)約曰: 所以, 我們從今已後不憑著外貌(原文作肉體)認人了. 雖然憑著外貌認過基督, 如今卻不再這樣認他了.
偏偏有人再這樣認他, 硬說在地上工作的是神的第二位格. 為了維護一神論, 硬硬加上一體. 所謂的一體, 毫無聖經根據, 拿出來支持一體的經文, 都是指神是獨一的經文. 請留意, 這些經文都是指神是獨一的, 而不是指神的"體" 而言. 換句話說, 是指獨一真神, 而不是指獨一的三位一體真神!
約十四(8): 腓力對他說: "求主將父顯給我們看, 我們就知足了."
約十四(9): 耶穌對他說: "腓力, 我與你們同在這麼長久, 你還不認識我嗎? 人看見了我, 就是看見了父. 你怎麼說將父顯給我們看呢?"
有些人和腓力一樣, 當別人告訴他時, 卻引來好多攻擊.
為何把帖子刪掉? 可以授課時當負面材料啊!
真是只準州官放火, 不準百姓點燈』.
我的評論: 我所答覆的這一篇, 全部給鐘牧師刪掉. 令人驚訝的是, 鐘牧師連猶太人和外邦人都分不清楚!
2008年10月29日 星期三
歸正學義網 - 鐘鵬章
有一位牧師, 名為鐘鵬章, 在他的網站[歸正學義網]裏讓人留言. 如有人與他的神學觀點不同, 即破口大罵. 筆詞之尖銳, 令人不敢相信這乃出自一位牧師之口. 茲將我與他的對話抄錄如下:
鐘弟兄,您好! 看到鐘弟兄與大衛弟兄之談話, 我也想說幾句. 鐘弟兄指楊牧谷博士大概不會胡說八道, 間接把楊牧谷博士所說的等同與聖經. 最重要的是聖經怎麼說, 而不是博士的言論. 综觀耶蘇的十二位門徒, 又有幾位是博學多才的呢?
我曾到過好多不同派別的教會, 對他們所傳的福音有所瞭解, 但卻無法認同.
先談徒二(4)的方言. 請看下列經文:徒二(9) 我們帕提亞人, 玛代人, 以攔人, 和住在米所波大米人, 猶太, 加帕多家, 本都, 亞西亞,徒二(10) 弗呂家, 旁利亞, 埃及的人, 並靠近古利奈的呂彼亞一帶的人, 從羅馬來的客旅中, 或是猶太人, 或是進猶太教的人,徒(11) 革哩底和阿拉伯人, 都聽見他們用我們的鄉談, 講說神的大作為.從上幾節看來, 眾人[徒二(4)] 同時講至少十五種不同的方言, 十一節的我們, 卻能聽清楚他們在講甚麼. 如不是主開啟他們的耳朵, 他們又怎能聽得清楚呢? 為何又有人譏笑他們在灌酒?至于方言講道, 林前十四(27)曰: 若有說方言的, 只好兩個人講, 至多三個人講, 且要輪流講, 而沒人翻譯就須閉口. 如果不作方言講道而作恩賜解, 難道造就自己也要輪流? 沒人翻譯就須閉口? 信徒要造就自己也得限制人數? 從林前十四(29)及(30), 我們知道哥林多教會講道是會衆淂著啟示就上台講.
關于我無法接受其他教會的地方, 大致如下:
1. 滴禮: 沒有聖經根據, 此乃出自十二使徒遗訓第七章[請参閱基督教文藝出版社所出版之基督教早期文獻選集第267頁].
2. 原罪: 大衛説他在母胎時就有罪了[詩五十一(3)]. 這一點, 對好多人來說是很難接受的. 很多教會為了"拯救"更多迷失的羔羊, 對此避而不提, 在佈道會中只要求要信的人到前面來禱告, 認罪悔改相信即可, 然後宣佈他們已經得救了. 問題是, 他們知道他們所認的是甚麼罪嗎?
3. 雙重標準: 對于聖餐, 如某一教會認為它會靈化或變化成主的血和肉, 她就會被定為異端. 那現在有一問題, 馬丁路得是異端嗎? 因為他認為餅和葡萄汁經過祝謝後, 主的血和肉會與餅和葡萄汁同在. 他以林前十章十六節所記"同領"為根據[請參考基督教神學概論第195頁, 著者為陳江川博士]. 洗禮也一樣, 馬丁路得認為它能洗去我們的罪[請參考基督教神學原典菁華第384和385頁, 由Alister E McGrath 編, 楊長慧譯, 校園出版社]. 但目前一談到洗禮能赦罪, 就會被人定為異端.
4. 聖誕節: 耶穌說, 還沒有亞伯拉罕, 就有了我. 既是這樣, 又何必為祂慶祝生日? 這不是很矛盾嗎?
5. 三位一體: 聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論? 所謂全能, 即沒有其他的比得上祂, 焉有三位同時全能? 神的每一位格和這一體的關係又是甚麼?
6. 主日: 在新約使徒時代, 使徒仍然已安息日來計算日子. 所謂的主日, 或七日的第一日, 在原文中從沒出現過, 係翻譯聖經者把安息日譯為七日. 從Word Study Greek-English New Testament with Complete Concordance (Paul R, McReynolds 編 Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.,Wheaton, Illinois)第1657和1658頁所列出Sabbath的章節, 可知"七日"在原文中是安息日, Strong號碼為4521. 既然星期日被稱為安息日的第一日, 那又何來主日?在啟一(10)的Lord's day, 在和合本譯為"當主日...."的"當"字, Strong號碼為1722, 希臘文是en, 英文是in, 中文是"在....裏"[ 請參考聖經原文字典第八十一頁, 浸宣出版社]. 現代中文譯本譯為"有一個主日", 但查考上述之Word Study Greek-English New Testament with Complete concordance, 其原文句子及Strong號碼如下:became(1096) in(1722) spirit(4151) in(1722) the(7) Master's(2960) day(2250), 根本沒有"有一個"這些字. "有一個"誤導人, 讓人以為有好多主日.
7. 一次得救永遠得救: 聖經很明顯的把基督徒可能犯的罪分為兩種, 即至於死與不至於死的罪. 約翰一書五章十六節曰: 人若看見弟兄犯了不至於死的罪, 就當為他祈求, 神必將生命賜給他; 有至於死的罪, 我不說當為他祈求. 在[信仰的反思]這本書(梁家麟著,文橋傳播中心有限公司)第五十一及五十二頁如此說: 得救只是基督徒生命的第一步, 也就是入門的第一步. 這一步固然是至關生死番重要, 但卻不是就此便"成了"的. 基督徒在得救以後, 必須努力追求成聖; 這包括遠離罪惡, 不再與罪有任何關連, 也包括取悅神, 努力完成祂的旨意. 這是一個一生之久的努力, 不是一時一日便可達成的. 在世的基督徒, 沒有一個有資格聲稱他已經成聖的人, 你不是, 我不是, 所有人都不是. 連保羅也說他不是已為自己已經得著了, 已經完全了. 但是, 我們卻要竭力追求, 好使我們臻至完全的地步, 跟隨耶穌基督的腳蹤行, 效法祂的榜樣. 因為我們知道, 每一日我們都有跌倒的可能. 今日我是跟隨主的門徒, 明日可以變成賣主的猶大; 今日我們活在救恩中, 明日可以被拋在門外哀哭切齒. 我們的信心, 救恩, 都是可以失落的東西.
在提後四章七節下半段保羅說: 所信的道, 我已經守住了. 這是保羅自知在世日子無多時說的話. 可見除了相信之後, 還要守住所信之道.
最後奉勸諸位, 千萬勿把聖經一刀兩斷, 凡是與得救有關的就行, 被"認為"與得救無關的就不行, 雖是主的吩咐, 卻不去行, 最明顯的例子是洗腳禮. 相反的, 主所沒吩咐的, 如復活節和受難日, 卻要人去守, 這是很危險的.
鐘鵬章之答覆
很久沒有聽到人公開地説上帝不是三位一體的上帝. 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 倒是[真耶穌教會]夠膽量, 也夠大方, 說"聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論?..." 這也難怪, 他們向來都自視過高, 以基督教的"紅衛兵"自居, 要打倒兩千年的傳統, 自立門戶.
聖靈有位格嗎? 約十四:16,26耶穌說:"我要求父, 父就另外賜給你們一位保惠師, 叫他永遠與你們同在... 但保惠師, 就是父因我的名所要差來的聖靈, 他要將一切的事指教你們, 並且要叫你們想起我對你們所說的一切話. 我在[基督生平]的第一百五十課這樣解釋:
"一位保惠師"-- 一位的原文是allon, 不是heteron. Allon 是 another of like kind, heteron 是another of a different sort. 所以聖靈上帝雖與耶穌有著相同的屬性, 出自同一個本體, 但卻與耶穌有不同的位格.
"但保惠師.. 他要將一切的事指教你們.."-- 這裏的"他", 原文是ekeinos, 是個男性代名詞, 而不是用中性的"它"來呼應中性的名詞"靈"(pneuma), 可見聖靈是有位格的.
當然在聖經裏還有許多經文可以證明這點, 只要花點時間研讀[聖靈論], 就可以一清二楚. 西諺雲: Truth needs no colours.(真理無須點綴.) 但經過二千年教義的發揚光大, 為甚麼[真耶穌教會]獨排眾議, 還不明白呢? 原來西諺又說: "A blind man cannot judge colours." (盲人判別不了顏色.) 因為他們都是瞎子阿!
我的答覆:
首先我要澄清兩點:
1. 我先前所說的, 只是我的看法而已. 我只是一位平信徒, 沒資格代表教會發言, 故題為我的看法.
2. 前文中我只說我本身不接受三位一體, 並沒說聖靈沒有位格.
聖靈固然有位格, 父, 子, 聖靈皆為同一真神. 請看下列經文:
徒五(3): 彼得說: "亞拿尼亞! 為什麼撒但充滿你的心, 叫你欺哄聖靈?"
徒五(4): "...你不是欺哄人, 是欺哄神了."
徒五(9): 彼得說: "你們為什麼同心試探主的靈呢?"
同樣的一件事, 彼得第一次說是欺哄聖靈, 第二次說是欺哄神, 第三次說是主的靈. 由此可知, 在位格上, 根本沒分成三位, 而是一位.
再看下列經文:
約十四(28): 你們聽見我對你們說了, 我去還要到你們這裏來.
約十六(7): ...我若不去, 保惠師就不到你們這裏來; 我若去, 就差祂來.
子和父也是同一位, 請看下列經文(為方便緣故, 經文全引自NIV):
Is 9(6): For to us a child is born, to us, a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace.
這位將誕生之子是Councilor, Mighty God Everlasting Father.
Matt 28(19): Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
這邊說得很清楚, 父子聖靈只有一個name.
John 17(11): Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name - the name you gave me - so that they may be one as we are one.父與子是同名的.
Acts 4(12): Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
這個名是甚麼呢? Matt 1(21) 給了我們答案: She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their name.
John 14(7): If you really knew me, you would know my father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.
John 14(9): anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
主說看到祂即是看到父, 這表明祂兩是同一位, 並沒有分別.
因為救恩的工作, 神道成肉身, 又差遣聖靈, 看來似乎是三位, 但真正只有一位而已. 例如兩人領受聖靈, 我們不能說一部份聖靈住在第一個人當中, 另一部份住在第二個人當中, 或兩位聖靈住在兩人當中. 我們只能說, 只有一位聖靈, 完完全全的住在第一個人當中, 也完完全全的住在第二個人當中. 同樣的, 神也是如此. 雖似三位, 但卻是一位. 所以約三(13)曰: 除了從天降下仍舊在天的人子, 沒有人升過天. 不然, 是第三個位格住在人當中, 還是全部三個位格住在人當中?
啟五(6)曰: 這羔羊來, 從寶座的右手裏拿了書卷.這裏很明顯的把羔羊和坐寶座的分的很清楚, 因為救恩工作尙未完成, 當救恩工作完成後, 再沒有三位的分別. 從NIV看得比較清楚:
Rev 22(1) Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the Throne of God and of Lamp.
Rev 22(3) No longer will there be any curse. The Throne of God and of Lamb will be in the city, and His servants will serve Him.
Rev 22(4): They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.
此時救恩已完成, 主也不必在父的右邊為我們代求, 所以羔羊和父神只有一個寶座, 一個face. 請留意, throne, his face, his servants, serve him, 全部都是單數.
即然耶穌說祂從天降下仍舊在天, 那耶穌受洗時及司提反所看到的豫像, 都不能說是神的三個位格.
那林後十三(14)的祝福是否可以證明三位述一體? 只要查考保羅其他書信就可知:
羅一(7)....願恩惠, 平安, 從我們的父神, 並耶穌基督, 歸與你們.
羅十六(27): 願榮耀, 因耶穌基督, 歸與獨一全智的神, 直到永遠, 阿門.
林前一(3), 林後一(2), 加一(3), 弗一(2), 腓一(2), 帖前一(1), 帖後一(2), 提前一(2), 提後一(2), 多一(4), 門(3)的祝福語, 只提到父神與耶穌基督而已, 我們是否可說神是二位一體?
鐘鵬章之答覆
你看來連最基本的"位格"和"體"的意義都搞不清楚 怪不得相信記[真耶酥教會]的謬論. 你最好趕快將約翰加爾文的[基督教要義]第一卷第十三章有關上帝的一個本體包含三個位格仔細查考, 免得把"位格"和"體"混淆不清, 讀聖經時完全落入盲點, 在字裏行間團團轉, 昏頭暈腦, 分不清是非黑白! 趕快! 我再說, 趕快! 不然後悔莫及.
在我的網站上, 你也可以在[袖珍神學詞典]欄, 輸入關鍵字"三位一體"(沒有引號)找到一些資料. 其中有一則說:
"有關聖經中心三位一體的道理, 有兩件事情是必須謹記的: 神只有一位 三個位格皆被稱為神. 以下是這教義簡單的陳述: 父被稱為神(林前八6); 子被稱為神(來一8至10); 聖靈也被稱為神(徒五3至4); 神是一位(申六4). 這四句陳述句子的綜合, 就是三位一體的教訓. 我們另外還有一些新約的經文, 證明父, 子, 聖靈之間的這種關係, 切定他們之間的合一及平等.
耶穌吩咐使徒為信徒施洗時, 是"奉父, 子, 聖靈的名" 施洗的(太二十八18). 這清楚說明, 三位是平等合一的. 馬利亞的懷孕, 也是聖靈的工作: 聖靈臨到馬利亞的身上, 神的能力荫庇她, 她所生的兒子, 被稱為神的兒子(路一35). 耶穌受洗時, 神的三位格個別地顯現(這是對形態論的馭斥, 比較路三21至22). 約翰福音十四章16節是另一次提及三位的合一. 子求父, 父就差遣聖靈, 永遠住在信徒裏面. 三位的合一清楚不過了. 羅馬書八章9至11節又提及, 神的三位在信徒裏面. 哥林多後書十三章14節的祝福語, 是父, 子, 聖靈的平等和合一, 一個強而有力的證據(另比較林前二4至8; 啟一4至5).
趕快! 我再說, 趕快!
我的答覆
太二十八(18)說是奉父, 子, 聖靈的名施洗, 但在使徒行傳裏 , 都是奉耶穌的名受洗 ((徒二16 , 八(16), 十(48), 十九(5)). 如果"耶穌" 單單指子這一位格, 那使徒所作的, 不是等於宣告子高過其他兩個位格?
鐘鵬章的答覆
我看你真的是讀死書, 任何一本解經書都能告訴你, [使徒行傳] 不是[教會手冊], 告訴人教會的行政組織, 禮義規條. 路加在這裏特別強調奉耶穌基督的名施洗, 是針對猶太人說的, 要他們知道他們所釘在十字架上的耶穌就是基督, 要他們認罪悔改, 奉這個名受洗. 這裏不是數學的公式, 說耶穌等於或不等於 ''父, 子, 聖靈''. 你的解經一再證明你落入盲點, 在字裏行重間昏頭暈腦, 完全迷糊不清. 再讀下去, 你也許還會說, 路加在福音書沒有告訴人奉甚麼名施洗, 所以洗禮是可有可無的.
我要你趕快查考約翰加爾文的"基督教要義"卷一第十三章, 就是希望你從這些敬虔的人身上學習真道. 兩千年來, 不少人窮一生的時間, 鑽研聖經, 把所領受的與人分享, 將基督教義發揚光大. 你自己花了多少時間在"三位 一體"的查考上? 連"位格"和"體"你都不清不楚, 只是從[真耶穌教會]那裏抄來一些人云亦云的東西, 就想把基督教的教義核心"三位一體"推翻, 難道你真的以為這些人都是"法利賽人", 而你或你們就是"真耶穌"! 你也太目中無人, 唯我獨尊了. 傳統教會視 [真耶穌教會]為異端, 不是沒有理由的.
除了[基督教要義], 我還要你仔細地閱讀章立生博士的[系統神學]八冊. 讀完後, 你再回來告訴大家甚麼是"三位一體"的教義, 不然就別在這裏信口雌黃.
我的答覆
三位一體, 英文為trinity或 triune, 即tri unitarianism的縮寫, 係特土良發明, 拉丁文為trinitas, 中文直譯係三合一, 根本沒有"體"這個字.
既然你認為我把"體"和"位格"混淆了, 那請你告訴我這兩者的定義(definition)及兩者的關係.
我很奇怪, 為什麼你不叫我研讀基督教神學發展史, 或特土良及奧古斯丁的觀點, 因為這神觀是前者提出, 後者加以發揚.
你這樣注重加爾文的教義, 不知你是否接受加爾文的聖餐觀? 還有, 天主教和東正教的三位一體神觀不同, 請問你維護哪一種傳統?
鐘鵬章的答覆
"取法乎上, 得其中; 取法乎中, 得其下." 你連大師對三位一體的著作都不屑一顧, 反從[真耶穌教會]那裏學歪道, 在這裏亂拋垃圾. 求學沒有捷徑, 要明白真理就要苦心鑽研, 然後才發表自己 "獨得天機"的偉論. 回家讀書吧!
鐘鵬章又刊登一篇文章如下:
有在大陸的弟兄問我, 網上哪裏可以找到章立生博士的[系統神學]之[上帝論], 因為他們想讀一讀他的"三位一體論". 大家不用費時去找了, 在這裏的[袖珍神學詞典]欄裏, 我放了他寫的"三位一體論", 大家只要在關鍵字的空格內輸入"三位一體"(沒有引號), 然後選"三位一體論(一至七)就可以了. 如果不要進入詞典, 也可用以下的連接:
已故的章立生博士是因為"他(上帝)從高天伸手抓住我"(詩十八:16)而奇妙地信主. 但他並不因此自鳴得意, 反而苦心鑽研聖經, 寫下這百萬言的[系統神學]. 他的"三位一體論"可謂字字珠璣, 不但詳細地解說三位一體, 也駁斥了異端如撒伯留和亞流派的謬論. 他的精闢論點, 絕對不像一些不學無術的人, 坐在如[真耶穌教會]異端的井裏觀天, 抱著他們領袖從"天"擷取的謬論, 還洋洋得意地以為是"寶貝真理", 到處亂丟, 其實那都是垃圾, 連豬吃了也會吐出來.
我的答覆
使徒行傳是寫給提阿非羅的, 他是猶太人嗎?; 徒八(14-16), 使徒們為撒瑪利亞人奉耶穌的名施洗, 撒瑪利亞人是猶太人嗎? 徒十(48)奉耶穌的名施洗的是哥尼流, 他是猶太人嗎? 怎麼說是當時是為了讓猶太人瞭解耶穌是彌賽亞而奉耶穌的名施洗?
林後五章(16)約曰: 所以, 我們從今已後不憑著外貌(原文作肉體)認人了. 雖然憑著外貌認過基督, 如今卻不再這樣認他了.
偏偏有人再這樣認他, 硬說在地上工作的是神的第二位格. 為了維護一神論, 硬硬加上一體. 所謂的一體, 毫無聖經根據, 拿出來支持一體的經文, 都是指神是獨一的經文. 請留意, 這些經文都是指神是獨一的, 而不是指神的"體" 而言. 換句話說, 是指獨一真神, 而不是指獨一的三位一體真神!
約十四(8): 腓力對他說: "求主將父顯給我們看, 我們就知足了."
約十四(9): 耶穌對他說: "腓力, 我與你們同在這麼長久, 你還不認識我嗎? 人看見了我, 就是看見了父. 你怎麼說將父顯給我們看呢?"
有些人和腓力一樣, 當別人告訴他時, 卻引來好多攻擊.
為何把帖子刪掉? 可以授課時當負面材料啊!
真是只準州官放火, 不準百姓點燈.
鐘弟兄,您好! 看到鐘弟兄與大衛弟兄之談話, 我也想說幾句. 鐘弟兄指楊牧谷博士大概不會胡說八道, 間接把楊牧谷博士所說的等同與聖經. 最重要的是聖經怎麼說, 而不是博士的言論. 综觀耶蘇的十二位門徒, 又有幾位是博學多才的呢?
我曾到過好多不同派別的教會, 對他們所傳的福音有所瞭解, 但卻無法認同.
先談徒二(4)的方言. 請看下列經文:徒二(9) 我們帕提亞人, 玛代人, 以攔人, 和住在米所波大米人, 猶太, 加帕多家, 本都, 亞西亞,徒二(10) 弗呂家, 旁利亞, 埃及的人, 並靠近古利奈的呂彼亞一帶的人, 從羅馬來的客旅中, 或是猶太人, 或是進猶太教的人,徒(11) 革哩底和阿拉伯人, 都聽見他們用我們的鄉談, 講說神的大作為.從上幾節看來, 眾人[徒二(4)] 同時講至少十五種不同的方言, 十一節的我們, 卻能聽清楚他們在講甚麼. 如不是主開啟他們的耳朵, 他們又怎能聽得清楚呢? 為何又有人譏笑他們在灌酒?至于方言講道, 林前十四(27)曰: 若有說方言的, 只好兩個人講, 至多三個人講, 且要輪流講, 而沒人翻譯就須閉口. 如果不作方言講道而作恩賜解, 難道造就自己也要輪流? 沒人翻譯就須閉口? 信徒要造就自己也得限制人數? 從林前十四(29)及(30), 我們知道哥林多教會講道是會衆淂著啟示就上台講.
關于我無法接受其他教會的地方, 大致如下:
1. 滴禮: 沒有聖經根據, 此乃出自十二使徒遗訓第七章[請参閱基督教文藝出版社所出版之基督教早期文獻選集第267頁].
2. 原罪: 大衛説他在母胎時就有罪了[詩五十一(3)]. 這一點, 對好多人來說是很難接受的. 很多教會為了"拯救"更多迷失的羔羊, 對此避而不提, 在佈道會中只要求要信的人到前面來禱告, 認罪悔改相信即可, 然後宣佈他們已經得救了. 問題是, 他們知道他們所認的是甚麼罪嗎?
3. 雙重標準: 對于聖餐, 如某一教會認為它會靈化或變化成主的血和肉, 她就會被定為異端. 那現在有一問題, 馬丁路得是異端嗎? 因為他認為餅和葡萄汁經過祝謝後, 主的血和肉會與餅和葡萄汁同在. 他以林前十章十六節所記"同領"為根據[請參考基督教神學概論第195頁, 著者為陳江川博士]. 洗禮也一樣, 馬丁路得認為它能洗去我們的罪[請參考基督教神學原典菁華第384和385頁, 由Alister E McGrath 編, 楊長慧譯, 校園出版社]. 但目前一談到洗禮能赦罪, 就會被人定為異端.
4. 聖誕節: 耶穌說, 還沒有亞伯拉罕, 就有了我. 既是這樣, 又何必為祂慶祝生日? 這不是很矛盾嗎?
5. 三位一體: 聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論? 所謂全能, 即沒有其他的比得上祂, 焉有三位同時全能? 神的每一位格和這一體的關係又是甚麼?
6. 主日: 在新約使徒時代, 使徒仍然已安息日來計算日子. 所謂的主日, 或七日的第一日, 在原文中從沒出現過, 係翻譯聖經者把安息日譯為七日. 從Word Study Greek-English New Testament with Complete Concordance (Paul R, McReynolds 編 Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.,Wheaton, Illinois)第1657和1658頁所列出Sabbath的章節, 可知"七日"在原文中是安息日, Strong號碼為4521. 既然星期日被稱為安息日的第一日, 那又何來主日?在啟一(10)的Lord's day, 在和合本譯為"當主日...."的"當"字, Strong號碼為1722, 希臘文是en, 英文是in, 中文是"在....裏"[ 請參考聖經原文字典第八十一頁, 浸宣出版社]. 現代中文譯本譯為"有一個主日", 但查考上述之Word Study Greek-English New Testament with Complete concordance, 其原文句子及Strong號碼如下:became(1096) in(1722) spirit(4151) in(1722) the(7) Master's(2960) day(2250), 根本沒有"有一個"這些字. "有一個"誤導人, 讓人以為有好多主日.
7. 一次得救永遠得救: 聖經很明顯的把基督徒可能犯的罪分為兩種, 即至於死與不至於死的罪. 約翰一書五章十六節曰: 人若看見弟兄犯了不至於死的罪, 就當為他祈求, 神必將生命賜給他; 有至於死的罪, 我不說當為他祈求. 在[信仰的反思]這本書(梁家麟著,文橋傳播中心有限公司)第五十一及五十二頁如此說: 得救只是基督徒生命的第一步, 也就是入門的第一步. 這一步固然是至關生死番重要, 但卻不是就此便"成了"的. 基督徒在得救以後, 必須努力追求成聖; 這包括遠離罪惡, 不再與罪有任何關連, 也包括取悅神, 努力完成祂的旨意. 這是一個一生之久的努力, 不是一時一日便可達成的. 在世的基督徒, 沒有一個有資格聲稱他已經成聖的人, 你不是, 我不是, 所有人都不是. 連保羅也說他不是已為自己已經得著了, 已經完全了. 但是, 我們卻要竭力追求, 好使我們臻至完全的地步, 跟隨耶穌基督的腳蹤行, 效法祂的榜樣. 因為我們知道, 每一日我們都有跌倒的可能. 今日我是跟隨主的門徒, 明日可以變成賣主的猶大; 今日我們活在救恩中, 明日可以被拋在門外哀哭切齒. 我們的信心, 救恩, 都是可以失落的東西.
在提後四章七節下半段保羅說: 所信的道, 我已經守住了. 這是保羅自知在世日子無多時說的話. 可見除了相信之後, 還要守住所信之道.
最後奉勸諸位, 千萬勿把聖經一刀兩斷, 凡是與得救有關的就行, 被"認為"與得救無關的就不行, 雖是主的吩咐, 卻不去行, 最明顯的例子是洗腳禮. 相反的, 主所沒吩咐的, 如復活節和受難日, 卻要人去守, 這是很危險的.
鐘鵬章之答覆
很久沒有聽到人公開地説上帝不是三位一體的上帝. 現在很多異端為了想得到正統教會的認同, 都想方設法地在信仰宣告裏對這教義躲躲藏藏, 含糊其辭. 倒是[真耶穌教會]夠膽量, 也夠大方, 說"聖經一直強調神是獨一的, 從沒提過祂有三個位格. 如果神有三個位格, 而這三個位格又能互相施愛並接受其他位格的愛, 那不是變成三神論?..." 這也難怪, 他們向來都自視過高, 以基督教的"紅衛兵"自居, 要打倒兩千年的傳統, 自立門戶.
聖靈有位格嗎? 約十四:16,26耶穌說:"我要求父, 父就另外賜給你們一位保惠師, 叫他永遠與你們同在... 但保惠師, 就是父因我的名所要差來的聖靈, 他要將一切的事指教你們, 並且要叫你們想起我對你們所說的一切話. 我在[基督生平]的第一百五十課這樣解釋:
"一位保惠師"-- 一位的原文是allon, 不是heteron. Allon 是 another of like kind, heteron 是another of a different sort. 所以聖靈上帝雖與耶穌有著相同的屬性, 出自同一個本體, 但卻與耶穌有不同的位格.
"但保惠師.. 他要將一切的事指教你們.."-- 這裏的"他", 原文是ekeinos, 是個男性代名詞, 而不是用中性的"它"來呼應中性的名詞"靈"(pneuma), 可見聖靈是有位格的.
當然在聖經裏還有許多經文可以證明這點, 只要花點時間研讀[聖靈論], 就可以一清二楚. 西諺雲: Truth needs no colours.(真理無須點綴.) 但經過二千年教義的發揚光大, 為甚麼[真耶穌教會]獨排眾議, 還不明白呢? 原來西諺又說: "A blind man cannot judge colours." (盲人判別不了顏色.) 因為他們都是瞎子阿!
我的答覆:
首先我要澄清兩點:
1. 我先前所說的, 只是我的看法而已. 我只是一位平信徒, 沒資格代表教會發言, 故題為我的看法.
2. 前文中我只說我本身不接受三位一體, 並沒說聖靈沒有位格.
聖靈固然有位格, 父, 子, 聖靈皆為同一真神. 請看下列經文:
徒五(3): 彼得說: "亞拿尼亞! 為什麼撒但充滿你的心, 叫你欺哄聖靈?"
徒五(4): "...你不是欺哄人, 是欺哄神了."
徒五(9): 彼得說: "你們為什麼同心試探主的靈呢?"
同樣的一件事, 彼得第一次說是欺哄聖靈, 第二次說是欺哄神, 第三次說是主的靈. 由此可知, 在位格上, 根本沒分成三位, 而是一位.
再看下列經文:
約十四(28): 你們聽見我對你們說了, 我去還要到你們這裏來.
約十六(7): ...我若不去, 保惠師就不到你們這裏來; 我若去, 就差祂來.
子和父也是同一位, 請看下列經文(為方便緣故, 經文全引自NIV):
Is 9(6): For to us a child is born, to us, a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace.
這位將誕生之子是Councilor, Mighty God Everlasting Father.
Matt 28(19): Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
這邊說得很清楚, 父子聖靈只有一個name.
John 17(11): Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name - the name you gave me - so that they may be one as we are one.父與子是同名的.
Acts 4(12): Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
這個名是甚麼呢? Matt 1(21) 給了我們答案: She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their name.
John 14(7): If you really knew me, you would know my father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.
John 14(9): anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
主說看到祂即是看到父, 這表明祂兩是同一位, 並沒有分別.
因為救恩的工作, 神道成肉身, 又差遣聖靈, 看來似乎是三位, 但真正只有一位而已. 例如兩人領受聖靈, 我們不能說一部份聖靈住在第一個人當中, 另一部份住在第二個人當中, 或兩位聖靈住在兩人當中. 我們只能說, 只有一位聖靈, 完完全全的住在第一個人當中, 也完完全全的住在第二個人當中. 同樣的, 神也是如此. 雖似三位, 但卻是一位. 所以約三(13)曰: 除了從天降下仍舊在天的人子, 沒有人升過天. 不然, 是第三個位格住在人當中, 還是全部三個位格住在人當中?
啟五(6)曰: 這羔羊來, 從寶座的右手裏拿了書卷.這裏很明顯的把羔羊和坐寶座的分的很清楚, 因為救恩工作尙未完成, 當救恩工作完成後, 再沒有三位的分別. 從NIV看得比較清楚:
Rev 22(1) Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the Throne of God and of Lamp.
Rev 22(3) No longer will there be any curse. The Throne of God and of Lamb will be in the city, and His servants will serve Him.
Rev 22(4): They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.
此時救恩已完成, 主也不必在父的右邊為我們代求, 所以羔羊和父神只有一個寶座, 一個face. 請留意, throne, his face, his servants, serve him, 全部都是單數.
即然耶穌說祂從天降下仍舊在天, 那耶穌受洗時及司提反所看到的豫像, 都不能說是神的三個位格.
那林後十三(14)的祝福是否可以證明三位述一體? 只要查考保羅其他書信就可知:
羅一(7)....願恩惠, 平安, 從我們的父神, 並耶穌基督, 歸與你們.
羅十六(27): 願榮耀, 因耶穌基督, 歸與獨一全智的神, 直到永遠, 阿門.
林前一(3), 林後一(2), 加一(3), 弗一(2), 腓一(2), 帖前一(1), 帖後一(2), 提前一(2), 提後一(2), 多一(4), 門(3)的祝福語, 只提到父神與耶穌基督而已, 我們是否可說神是二位一體?
鐘鵬章之答覆
你看來連最基本的"位格"和"體"的意義都搞不清楚 怪不得相信記[真耶酥教會]的謬論. 你最好趕快將約翰加爾文的[基督教要義]第一卷第十三章有關上帝的一個本體包含三個位格仔細查考, 免得把"位格"和"體"混淆不清, 讀聖經時完全落入盲點, 在字裏行間團團轉, 昏頭暈腦, 分不清是非黑白! 趕快! 我再說, 趕快! 不然後悔莫及.
在我的網站上, 你也可以在[袖珍神學詞典]欄, 輸入關鍵字"三位一體"(沒有引號)找到一些資料. 其中有一則說:
"有關聖經中心三位一體的道理, 有兩件事情是必須謹記的: 神只有一位 三個位格皆被稱為神. 以下是這教義簡單的陳述: 父被稱為神(林前八6); 子被稱為神(來一8至10); 聖靈也被稱為神(徒五3至4); 神是一位(申六4). 這四句陳述句子的綜合, 就是三位一體的教訓. 我們另外還有一些新約的經文, 證明父, 子, 聖靈之間的這種關係, 切定他們之間的合一及平等.
耶穌吩咐使徒為信徒施洗時, 是"奉父, 子, 聖靈的名" 施洗的(太二十八18). 這清楚說明, 三位是平等合一的. 馬利亞的懷孕, 也是聖靈的工作: 聖靈臨到馬利亞的身上, 神的能力荫庇她, 她所生的兒子, 被稱為神的兒子(路一35). 耶穌受洗時, 神的三位格個別地顯現(這是對形態論的馭斥, 比較路三21至22). 約翰福音十四章16節是另一次提及三位的合一. 子求父, 父就差遣聖靈, 永遠住在信徒裏面. 三位的合一清楚不過了. 羅馬書八章9至11節又提及, 神的三位在信徒裏面. 哥林多後書十三章14節的祝福語, 是父, 子, 聖靈的平等和合一, 一個強而有力的證據(另比較林前二4至8; 啟一4至5).
趕快! 我再說, 趕快!
我的答覆
太二十八(18)說是奉父, 子, 聖靈的名施洗, 但在使徒行傳裏 , 都是奉耶穌的名受洗 ((徒二16 , 八(16), 十(48), 十九(5)). 如果"耶穌" 單單指子這一位格, 那使徒所作的, 不是等於宣告子高過其他兩個位格?
鐘鵬章的答覆
我看你真的是讀死書, 任何一本解經書都能告訴你, [使徒行傳] 不是[教會手冊], 告訴人教會的行政組織, 禮義規條. 路加在這裏特別強調奉耶穌基督的名施洗, 是針對猶太人說的, 要他們知道他們所釘在十字架上的耶穌就是基督, 要他們認罪悔改, 奉這個名受洗. 這裏不是數學的公式, 說耶穌等於或不等於 ''父, 子, 聖靈''. 你的解經一再證明你落入盲點, 在字裏行重間昏頭暈腦, 完全迷糊不清. 再讀下去, 你也許還會說, 路加在福音書沒有告訴人奉甚麼名施洗, 所以洗禮是可有可無的.
我要你趕快查考約翰加爾文的"基督教要義"卷一第十三章, 就是希望你從這些敬虔的人身上學習真道. 兩千年來, 不少人窮一生的時間, 鑽研聖經, 把所領受的與人分享, 將基督教義發揚光大. 你自己花了多少時間在"三位 一體"的查考上? 連"位格"和"體"你都不清不楚, 只是從[真耶穌教會]那裏抄來一些人云亦云的東西, 就想把基督教的教義核心"三位一體"推翻, 難道你真的以為這些人都是"法利賽人", 而你或你們就是"真耶穌"! 你也太目中無人, 唯我獨尊了. 傳統教會視 [真耶穌教會]為異端, 不是沒有理由的.
除了[基督教要義], 我還要你仔細地閱讀章立生博士的[系統神學]八冊. 讀完後, 你再回來告訴大家甚麼是"三位一體"的教義, 不然就別在這裏信口雌黃.
我的答覆
三位一體, 英文為trinity或 triune, 即tri unitarianism的縮寫, 係特土良發明, 拉丁文為trinitas, 中文直譯係三合一, 根本沒有"體"這個字.
既然你認為我把"體"和"位格"混淆了, 那請你告訴我這兩者的定義(definition)及兩者的關係.
我很奇怪, 為什麼你不叫我研讀基督教神學發展史, 或特土良及奧古斯丁的觀點, 因為這神觀是前者提出, 後者加以發揚.
你這樣注重加爾文的教義, 不知你是否接受加爾文的聖餐觀? 還有, 天主教和東正教的三位一體神觀不同, 請問你維護哪一種傳統?
鐘鵬章的答覆
"取法乎上, 得其中; 取法乎中, 得其下." 你連大師對三位一體的著作都不屑一顧, 反從[真耶穌教會]那裏學歪道, 在這裏亂拋垃圾. 求學沒有捷徑, 要明白真理就要苦心鑽研, 然後才發表自己 "獨得天機"的偉論. 回家讀書吧!
鐘鵬章又刊登一篇文章如下:
有在大陸的弟兄問我, 網上哪裏可以找到章立生博士的[系統神學]之[上帝論], 因為他們想讀一讀他的"三位一體論". 大家不用費時去找了, 在這裏的[袖珍神學詞典]欄裏, 我放了他寫的"三位一體論", 大家只要在關鍵字的空格內輸入"三位一體"(沒有引號), 然後選"三位一體論(一至七)就可以了. 如果不要進入詞典, 也可用以下的連接:
已故的章立生博士是因為"他(上帝)從高天伸手抓住我"(詩十八:16)而奇妙地信主. 但他並不因此自鳴得意, 反而苦心鑽研聖經, 寫下這百萬言的[系統神學]. 他的"三位一體論"可謂字字珠璣, 不但詳細地解說三位一體, 也駁斥了異端如撒伯留和亞流派的謬論. 他的精闢論點, 絕對不像一些不學無術的人, 坐在如[真耶穌教會]異端的井裏觀天, 抱著他們領袖從"天"擷取的謬論, 還洋洋得意地以為是"寶貝真理", 到處亂丟, 其實那都是垃圾, 連豬吃了也會吐出來.
我的答覆
使徒行傳是寫給提阿非羅的, 他是猶太人嗎?; 徒八(14-16), 使徒們為撒瑪利亞人奉耶穌的名施洗, 撒瑪利亞人是猶太人嗎? 徒十(48)奉耶穌的名施洗的是哥尼流, 他是猶太人嗎? 怎麼說是當時是為了讓猶太人瞭解耶穌是彌賽亞而奉耶穌的名施洗?
林後五章(16)約曰: 所以, 我們從今已後不憑著外貌(原文作肉體)認人了. 雖然憑著外貌認過基督, 如今卻不再這樣認他了.
偏偏有人再這樣認他, 硬說在地上工作的是神的第二位格. 為了維護一神論, 硬硬加上一體. 所謂的一體, 毫無聖經根據, 拿出來支持一體的經文, 都是指神是獨一的經文. 請留意, 這些經文都是指神是獨一的, 而不是指神的"體" 而言. 換句話說, 是指獨一真神, 而不是指獨一的三位一體真神!
約十四(8): 腓力對他說: "求主將父顯給我們看, 我們就知足了."
約十四(9): 耶穌對他說: "腓力, 我與你們同在這麼長久, 你還不認識我嗎? 人看見了我, 就是看見了父. 你怎麼說將父顯給我們看呢?"
有些人和腓力一樣, 當別人告訴他時, 卻引來好多攻擊.
為何把帖子刪掉? 可以授課時當負面材料啊!
真是只準州官放火, 不準百姓點燈.
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